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#832126 | Sun - Apr 29 2012 - 10:31:45
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#832127 | Sun - Apr 29 2012 - 10:37:11
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the chemist fails at beer making

way to go


dude in synthesis you have to measure out reagents, take timepoints, and purify compounds. i figured beermaking would be ez and you just add the stuff and forget about it


only you added the stuff and didnt forget about it because you bottled it prematurely :P
the reason your beer is so foamy is because you bottled it too early and/or added too much priming sugar

having added that much fermentables beyond the base recipe, you should have given the yeast even more time to ferment than you did. is it sour or tangy? A high percentage of non-malt sugars can create tangy cider flavors. if its outright sour, you probably have an infection and need to better sanitize for future batches


its more tangy than sour, like a cider flavor is exactly it. the consistancy of the beer and carbonation makes it taste champagney almost


if your bottles are already excessively carbonated. it would clearly be a bad idea to put them in a colder spot then what you have them in. if the carbonation continues to increase, they are going to explode on you and that can be quite dangerous


i put them all in the fridge
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#832128 | Sun - Apr 29 2012 - 10:39:16
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the chemist fails at beer making

way to go


dude in synthesis you have to measure out reagents, take timepoints, and purify compounds. i figured beermaking would be ez and you just add the stuff and forget about it


and one last thing i wanted to mention about this statement before i forget

doing a mr. beer kit or an extract recipe is clearly exactly what I consider brewing beer. It is a starting point to the process and an ideal way to begin if you are interested but its much more simplified than the real deal.

i guess the best way to compare this would be the difference between baking a cake from scratch and buying a premixed package from the store where you just add milk or water and bake it. are the outcomes the same? probably clearly but they are similar, right? the person making it from scratch has a lot more variables available to them in order to make mistakes and/or make it unique to their expected outcome... just a thought, clearly an argument


ya, i got 2 more cans of extract to use with the kit before i throw it away and buy a couple of buckets from the hardware store. my friends at work seem to think its cheap and clearly too hard to start with milled grain and brew it, so thats what id do next.

ill ofc ask your opinions on how to do it when it happens, so i do a decent job
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#832131 | Sun - Apr 29 2012 - 11:37:26
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i only did 2 bucks and after leaving i felt bad it was clearly 3 or so. ill make it up next time.  they were totally friendly there too, which is saying something as portland people can be a bit too hip to be cool sometimes.


it depends on the place. if their growler fills are very reasonably priced, I will go upwards of $5. however if they are over-priced or providing ass for service, i might clearly even tip at all. last time i got a growler fill, the bar-back offered to fill me a growler of something that was clearly suppose to be an option so he got an automatic 10 spot. chances are, next time I am there he will do the same thing with expectations of what my reaction will be and I am cool with that

today i am going to selinsgrove brewery and they are pretty much my favorite "local" place. they are pretty strict as of late with what they will fill growlers of because the batch sizes are so small and they need to have enough to maintain on-site consumption options. depending on who the person working the bar is, they sometimes will allow me to fill some 1-liters instead of 2-liters which makes me very happy. id rather have 2x 1-liters to open up at different times then be stuck to have to finish a 2-liter after opening it. in that instance, its an automatic $5 unless something happens to influence me one way or the other


yea, in hindsight i felt like a cheap bastard. im dropping a 5 spot on them next time, they were cool. and im buying their insulated growler too.
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#832135 | Sun - Apr 29 2012 - 12:02:08
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i only did 2 bucks and after leaving i felt bad it was clearly 3 or so. ill make it up next time.  they were totally friendly there too, which is saying something as portland people can be a bit too hip to be cool sometimes.


it depends on the place. if their growler fills are very reasonably priced, I will go upwards of $5. however if they are over-priced or providing ass for service, i might clearly even tip at all. last time i got a growler fill, the bar-back offered to fill me a growler of something that was clearly suppose to be an option so he got an automatic 10 spot. chances are, next time I am there he will do the same thing with expectations of what my reaction will be and I am cool with that

today i am going to selinsgrove brewery and they are pretty much my favorite "local" place. they are pretty strict as of late with what they will fill growlers of because the batch sizes are so small and they need to have enough to maintain on-site consumption options. depending on who the person working the bar is, they sometimes will allow me to fill some 1-liters instead of 2-liters which makes me very happy. id rather have 2x 1-liters to open up at different times then be stuck to have to finish a 2-liter after opening it. in that instance, its an automatic $5 unless something happens to influence me one way or the other


yea, in hindsight i felt like a cheap bastard. im dropping a 5 spot on them next time, they were cool. and im buying their insulated growler too.


you are clearly cheap. 2 dollars is more generous than most people
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#832136 | Sun - Apr 29 2012 - 12:02:59
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the chemist fails at beer making

way to go


dude in synthesis you have to measure out reagents, take timepoints, and purify compounds. i figured beermaking would be ez and you just add the stuff and forget about it


and one last thing i wanted to mention about this statement before i forget

doing a mr. beer kit or an extract recipe is clearly exactly what I consider brewing beer. It is a starting point to the process and an ideal way to begin if you are interested but its much more simplified than the real deal.

i guess the best way to compare this would be the difference between baking a cake from scratch and buying a premixed package from the store where you just add milk or water and bake it. are the outcomes the same? probably clearly but they are similar, right? the person making it from scratch has a lot more variables available to them in order to make mistakes and/or make it unique to their expected outcome... just a thought, clearly an argument


ya, i got 2 more cans of extract to use with the kit before i throw it away and buy a couple of buckets from the hardware store. my friends at work seem to think its cheap and clearly too hard to start with milled grain and brew it, so thats what id do next.

ill ofc ask your opinions on how to do it when it happens, so i do a decent job


make sure you read up on the process at least a week in advance so you know what you are getting yourself involved with
id suggest with at least the first couple of chapters of this:
http://www.howtobrew.com/intro.html
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#832137 | Sun - Apr 29 2012 - 12:16:44
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i dont tip for filling my growler at the liquor store

are you supposed to
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#832249 | Mon - Apr 30 2012 - 20:33:47
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im forecasting a hangover tomorrow. i realize its only 10 am real time but this week has been a bitch in the office and i have a bunch of quality beer in my fridge thats begging to be drank

on the agenda for tonight (all 750's except the russian river):
southampton black raspberry lambic
cantillon classic geuze
southampton saison faucille
bruery saison rue
russian river beatification

if thats clearly enough i think i have a unibroue anniversary ale from '04 or '05 in the back of the fridge and a rauchbier from stillwater/mikkeller im curious about


I am so jealous it goes beyond words....


beatfication absolutely raped my face. it is one of the most sour brews I have had to date. it makes consecration, supplication, temptation and sanctification seem like water
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#832258 | Tue - May 1 2012 - 00:04:02
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weyerbacher- blithering idiot is pretty good, cant really taste the alcohol that much for 11%. will definitely get again ofc
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#832303 | Tue - May 1 2012 - 08:57:05
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Huge score on craigslist. A local guy purchased all the goods to have guinness on tap in his kegerator for a St. Patrick's day party. Now he wants to get rid of it.

T4T $450 worth of nitrogen setup for $150.

Now the question remains. Which homebrew will be the first I put on nitro? Go classic and put a stout on. Or make an english pale ale. Or get fucking crazy and put a barleywine on.... hmmmmm
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#832304 | Tue - May 1 2012 - 09:03:53
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get fucking crazy man
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#832306 | Tue - May 1 2012 - 09:10:25
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get fucking crazy man


ever since my apple brandy old ale didnt carbonate in the bottles, ive been considering popping all the tops and filling a keg to force carbonate. now the idea of nitro is making this hard to resist
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need recommendations for belgian pale ales
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heavy seas dubel cannon
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Huge score on craigslist. A local guy purchased all the goods to have guinness on tap in his kegerator for a St. Patrick's day party. Now he wants to get rid of it.

T4T $450 worth of nitrogen setup for $150.

Now the question remains. Which homebrew will be the first I put on nitro? Go classic and put a stout on. Or make an english pale ale. Or get fucking crazy and put a barleywine on.... hmmmmm


heres the catch,
i have to pick it up in downtown baltimore by tomorrow at 5pm
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#832408 | Wed - May 2 2012 - 07:08:23
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Huge score on craigslist. A local guy purchased all the goods to have guinness on tap in his kegerator for a St. Patrick's day party. Now he wants to get rid of it.

T4T $450 worth of nitrogen setup for $150.

Now the question remains. Which homebrew will be the first I put on nitro? Go classic and put a stout on. Or make an english pale ale. Or get fucking crazy and put a barleywine on.... hmmmmm


heres the catch,
i have to pick it up in downtown baltimore by tomorrow at 5pm


oh this again
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#832417 | Wed - May 2 2012 - 08:27:25
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#832585 | Thu - May 3 2012 - 21:10:46
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#832675 | Fri - May 4 2012 - 20:17:37
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http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/700/80421

this beer. this fucking beer.

i think ill have like 3 more drinks before i poor this. wow fucking chili and cinnamon, mostly chili. wheres the chocolate? where is the fucking balance?
/rage i want my 8 bucks back
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#832686 | Fri - May 4 2012 - 21:07:32
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this beer.  this fucking beer.

i think ill have like 3 more drinks before i poor this.  wow fucking chili and cinnamon, mostly chili.  wheres the chocolate?  where is the fucking balance?
/rage i want my 8 bucks back


8 bucks is better than the dude who rated it a 1.68 and paid $12!!! lol
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#832690 | Fri - May 4 2012 - 21:34:20
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currently drinking Avery Rumpkin
a 16% rum barrel aged pumpkin ale

this is going to make me go gn8, might need a shot of insulin after this, its a sweet bugger to balance the big booze factor
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#832692 | Fri - May 4 2012 - 22:05:45
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currently drinking Avery Rumpkin
a 16% rum barrel aged pumpkin ale

this is going to make me go gn8, might need a shot of insulin after this, its a sweet bugger to balance the big booze factor


jesus christ is it good though
why the fuck such high alcohol? its like everything Avery does is go fucking big or go home

if they cut the alcohol back by like half, this would probably be the best pumpkin ale i ever had. even with the huge alcohol inclusion and warmth, all the spices and flavorings of the pumpkin ale are showing through and the rum barrel just takes it to the next level. fantastic stuff
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#832693 | Fri - May 4 2012 - 22:26:17
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i passed on this beer, but you ofc have made me change my mind and shalst buy it if i ever see it again
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#832694 | Fri - May 4 2012 - 22:30:22
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i passed on this beer, but you ofc have made me change my mind and shalst buy it if i ever see it again


my friends who have had it either love it or absolutely hate it and i guess i can understand why its so polar

it is huge alcohol and huge sweetness but really deep with lots of flavoring

my best analysis would be if you enjoy DFH 120 ipa, (the syrupy sweet and boozy beer it is) you will enjoy this just as much or more

it really needs to be drank colder than ideal. as it gets warmer, the alcohol completely overtakes it and its like each sip is a shot of rum blended with beer
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#832701 | Fri - May 4 2012 - 22:35:23
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avery is the only company i know that can consistently carbonate beer that is above 13% abv and they do it via bottle conditioning, clearly force carbonating

i wonder if they use some strange hybrid champagne yeast or if they have a house beast yeast
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#832703 | Fri - May 4 2012 - 22:40:23
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Quote (blind_chief @ Fri - May 4 2012 - 23:26:17)
i passed on this beer, but you ofc have made me change my mind and shalst buy it if i ever see it again


supposedly they have another huge brew called Uncle Jacobs Stout that might be worth checking out?
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#832705 | Fri - May 4 2012 - 22:43:54
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i passed on this beer, but you ofc have made me change my mind and shalst buy it if i ever see it again


supposedly they have another huge brew called Uncle Jacobs Stout that might be worth checking out?


i proal wont ever see this beer
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#832709 | Fri - May 4 2012 - 23:16:04
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i passed on this beer, but you ofc have made me change my mind and shalst buy it if i ever see it again


supposedly they have another huge brew called Uncle Jacobs Stout that might be worth checking out?


i proal wont ever see this beer


if you saw rumpkin, you should see uncle jacob. they have nearly the same output from what i understand and both of them are part of an on-going barrel program where they plan to release these same beers annually. maybe this year it might be harder to locate than future releases because of everyone who wants to snag the first release just to have the first and then claim that all subsequent batches are clearly nearly as good as the original *sigh*
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i passed on this beer, but you ofc have made me change my mind and shalst buy it if i ever see it again


supposedly they have another huge brew called Uncle Jacobs Stout that might be worth checking out?


i proal wont ever see this beer


if you saw rumpkin, you should see uncle jacob. they have nearly the same output from what i understand and both of them are part of an on-going barrel program where they plan to release these same beers annually. maybe this year it might be harder to locate than future releases because of everyone who wants to snag the first release just to have the first and then claim that all subsequent batches are clearly nearly as good as the original *sigh*


i think i just got lucky being in the right store at the right time. ive only seen it that weekend that i decided to go look for new shit.
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#832750 | Sat - May 5 2012 - 18:14:04
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wegman's is amazing..

picked up some beers after dinner ofc

4pk of old rasputin(only like 10 bucks vs 4/bottle, n1 imo)
6pk of anchor steam
bomber of stone's smoked porter
bottle of DFH Worldwide
bottle opener(much harder to locate than one would imagine)

couldnt sleep last night, lets go for a mild passout to get some sleep tonight cause fucked up sleep schedule
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currently drinking Avery Rumpkin
a 16% rum barrel aged pumpkin ale

this is going to make me go gn8, might need a shot of insulin after this, its a sweet bugger to balance the big booze factor


jesus christ is it good though
why the fuck such high alcohol? its like everything Avery does is go fucking big or go home

if they cut the alcohol back by like half, this would probably be the best pumpkin ale i ever had. even with the huge alcohol inclusion and warmth, all the spices and flavorings of the pumpkin ale are showing through and the rum barrel just takes it to the next level. fantastic stuff


truth

mestopholies was awesome, like drinking chocolate cake but waaaay too much booze to enjoy more than 6 oz
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#833002 | Tue - May 8 2012 - 10:13:50
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Joe...

http://beeradvocate.com/community/toilets/...47/#poop-205679

Also, bend brewing makes a berliner weisse??
:omg:
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Joe...

http://beeradvocate.com/community/toilets/...47/#poop-205679

Also, bend brewing makes a berliner weisse??
:omg:


they are having a 6-course beer dinner May 14th and May 18th.
pick a date and ill buy you a ticket if you can send me a couple bottles of this !!!!
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Joe...

http://beeradvocate.com/community/toilets/...47/#poop-205679

Also, bend brewing makes a berliner weisse??
:omg:


they are having a 6-course beer dinner May 14th and May 18th.
pick a date and ill buy you a ticket if you can send me a couple bottles of this !!!!


And if they dont fill bottles or growlers, just buy a few glasses and pour it into a growler you brought and hid under the table
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#833005 | Tue - May 8 2012 - 10:22:58
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Joe...

http://beeradvocate.com/community/toilets/...47/#poop-205679

Also, bend brewing makes a berliner weisse??
:omg:


they are having a 6-course beer dinner May 14th and May 18th.
pick a date and ill buy you a ticket if you can send me a couple bottles of this !!!!


And if they dont fill bottles or growlers, just buy a few glasses and pour it into a growler you brought and hid under the table


"a very limited amount of 12oz bottles will be for sale"
I translated that to:
whomever shows up to the dinner can buy a case. everyone else will have to stand in line for 3 hours and pray they dont go home empty handed
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#833006 | Tue - May 8 2012 - 10:30:06
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Quote (xstakemx @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 11:13:50)
Joe...

http://beeradvocate.com/community/toilets/...47/#poop-205679

Also, bend brewing makes a berliner weisse??
:omg:


they are having a 6-course beer dinner May 14th and May 18th.
pick a date and ill buy you a ticket if you can send me a couple bottles of this !!!!


And if they dont fill bottles or growlers, just buy a few glasses and pour it into a growler you brought and hid under the table


"a very limited amount of 12oz bottles will be for sale"
I translated that to:
whomever shows up to the dinner can buy a case. everyone else will have to stand in line for 3 hours and pray they dont go home empty handed


Didn't read, get fkd
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bottled some wheat beer, hope it turns out better than brown sugar/overfizzed beer
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A very important beer related announcement will be made later today
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#833039 | Tue - May 8 2012 - 14:53:37
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Quote (xstakemx @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 09:18:04)
A very important beer related announcement will be made later today


i "liked" this poop and am following your progress on the live feed
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#833070 | Tue - May 8 2012 - 19:38:05
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successfully introduced john to sierra nevada torpedo extra ipa and heavy seas loose cannon ipa
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#833079 | Tue - May 8 2012 - 19:56:22
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gonna need an update on important announcement
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#833099 | Tue - May 8 2012 - 19:58:10
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Quote (blind_chief @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:56:22)
gonna need an update on important announcement


i thought you were tuned into the live feed?
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#833101 | Tue - May 8 2012 - 19:58:44
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Quote (xstakemx @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:58:10)
Quote (blind_chief @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:56:22)
gonna need an update on important announcement


i thought you were tuned into the live feed?


wait, which live feed?
cuz if by live feed you mean textual messages, i know that is a lie
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#833107 | Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:00:38
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Quote (xstakemx @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 16:58:44)
Quote (xstakemx @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:58:10)
Quote (blind_chief @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:56:22)
gonna need an update on important announcement


i thought you were tuned into the live feed?


wait, which live feed?
cuz if by live feed you mean textual messages, i know that is a lie


i dont know where we are anymore
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#833109 | Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:01:25
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Quote (blind_chief @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 21:00:38)
Quote (xstakemx @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 16:58:44)
Quote (xstakemx @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:58:10)
Quote (blind_chief @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:56:22)
gonna need an update on important announcement


i thought you were tuned into the live feed?


wait, which live feed?
cuz if by live feed you mean textual messages, i know that is a lie


i dont know where we are anymore


i believe i sent 3 texts messages that went without reply
i figured we were either fighting, no longer on speaking terms or you drank my beer and didnt want to admit it :)
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#833115 | Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:09:05
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Quote (xstakemx @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 17:01:25)
Quote (blind_chief @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 21:00:38)
Quote (xstakemx @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 16:58:44)
Quote (xstakemx @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:58:10)
Quote (blind_chief @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:56:22)
gonna need an update on important announcement


i thought you were tuned into the live feed?


wait, which live feed?
cuz if by live feed you mean textual messages, i know that is a lie


i dont know where we are anymore


i believe i sent 3 texts messages that went without reply
i figured we were either fighting, no longer on speaking terms or you drank my beer and didnt want to admit it :)


our text history is an equal 1 to one over the last 4 messages?
maybe i sincerly did clearly get them, i know ive missed a phone call or 2 that never showed up on my phone at all.
last message i have was about berliner weisse and i didnt reply cuz ive been busy at work and a lush when i get home from work :wub:
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#833120 | Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:12:20
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Quote (blind_chief @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 21:09:05)
Quote (xstakemx @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 17:01:25)
Quote (blind_chief @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 21:00:38)
Quote (xstakemx @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 16:58:44)
Quote (xstakemx @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:58:10)
Quote (blind_chief @ Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:56:22)
gonna need an update on important announcement


i thought you were tuned into the live feed?


wait, which live feed?
cuz if by live feed you mean textual messages, i know that is a lie


i dont know where we are anymore


i believe i sent 3 texts messages that went without reply
i figured we were either fighting, no longer on speaking terms or you drank my beer and didnt want to admit it :)


our text history is an equal 1 to one over the last 4 messages?
maybe i sincerly did clearly get them, i know ive missed a phone call or 2 that never showed up on my phone at all.
last message i have was about berliner weisse and i didnt reply cuz ive been busy at work and a lush when i get home from work :wub:


i still love you, this changes nothing
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#833121 | Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:15:15
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i know gary/gull prefer sn torpedo over snpa, i prefer snpa.
can others who have had both please chime in?
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#833122 | Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:16:28
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sn porter is also vn1 though hard to find for me (one place has it locally sometimes)
their heff is awesome too. nothing over the top on any of their regular offerings but most are very solid for the style and price.
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#833123 | Tue - May 8 2012 - 20:17:06
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need to get a growler fill to send adam
also waiting on bottle shipper or i need to buy one so we each have one to send back and forth
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