duo lane: protect your tower, get cs, do something when you have an advantage

randomtask: i must get 1 kill per minute at all costs no matter where i am or where my team is

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right, its not a great analogy, because people in our bracket in duo lanes do definitely extend out to put themselves at risk for being fb'd

in fact, i dont have a team, because i am better than the other 9 people therefor i will hero class 1v5 carry them to victory under any and all circumstances

nope

>iplayadeathknightinwow

JUST FOR SHITS N GIGGLES

THAT WAS HOW RANDOMTASK TREATED ME WHEN IF FIRST HIT 80 ON WARCRAFT

PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE COMPLEX ONLINE GAMES IN THE HISTORY OF GAMES BUT HE FELT I SHOULD BE A HERO CLASS

yes, you described yourself perfectly

overextend and die

this is exactly how i feel 99% of the time

you arent arguing properly

what is the positive reason for playing behind our casters

in fact, in the lane we played earlier where i was lee sin and you were janna, if i wasnt being aggressive, you would be forced back to our tower while vlad and swain cs'd freely

if you were aggressive with me, they would be forced back at their tower and we would be cs'ing freely

you must know the matchup and exploit your strengths relative to your lane opponents, every laning phase isnt "avoid the enemy and cs for 15 minutes"

if you try to play that way as janna, you will be out-cs'd 75% of the time and your tower will be prone to being killed/tower dived, which happens to you a lot

and theres not cut and dry instructions either, the levels/health/mana/summoner spells/champions skills change so rapidly that the current tactic that best suits you is constantly changing

this term ends middle of june, so sometime then if people are still playing ill probably hop on sometime

jannas job is not to get cs

theres a difference between setting a tone of who dominates the lane and overextending at level 1 when your lane partner can do little to nothing to help you except cast a spell every 10 seconds

if tornado is on cooldown, im not doing shit

im not autoattacking for 35 damage, and im not fighting in front of my creeps

example (that we played earlier)
vladimir and swain
vs
janna and lee sin

level 1-3 janna and lee sin have the advantage
level 4-7 vladimir and swain have the advantage (approximates)

if you do nothing but cs for level 1-3, you are wasting your chance to capitalize on an advantage
if you are aggressive and get vlad and swain to 50% hp when you are at 70%, your hp advantage cancels out their champion advantage, and they cant go after you because they are too low

protip, janna's lane should never lose their tower first unless you're 1v2 and they are heavy pushers

shielding your own tower, tornadoes in range when they try to dive, zephyr slows them, etc etc etc

its just super easy to harass as janna if you can nado and use your shield effectively

no champion in the games job is not to get cs

draw parallels here
if transfusion is on cooldown, vladimir is not doing shit
if nevermore is on cooldown, swain is not doing shit
if lee sin is out of energy, lee sin is not doing shit

also, what you saw as overextending was overextending for 1 person, if you were there, it would be normal harassing

level 1 - lee sin dives in front of our creeps when jannas tornado is on cooldown

if janna attacks or doesnt attack, stands in the middle of them or doesnt, vlad and swain will focus lee sin

lee sin will die and janna will still be level 1

i shouldnt have to behave as if im alone in a lane just because my partner is a support

then maybe you should stick to solo lanes

you have janna half right [ed. note: based on my outdated style of play, feel free to disregard this entire post].

i dont know how you play janna, but i generally go clarity/clairvoyance. depending who you are laning with/against, any one of her skills is a viable first skill. if your lane partner is aggressive, get dat shield. the bonus dmg + shield makes for a rude awakening at level 1. if they arent as aggressive, nado then shield, then zephyr shield shield. the shield is such a huge benefit early game, unless they've nerfed it, idk.

rack up assists out the wazzoo dont give a fuck about minion kills but you should still be up front still trying to last hit occasionally, but your lane mate probably needs the gold more. you can still harass like a motherfucker as janna, a nado here and there or zephyr if they get close will get people clearing the fuck out

in hindsight this post is probably very condescending to people who have now played the game as long as all of you, but whatever

swagswagswag

you are either giving them too much credit or me not enough

do you really think the fight would be no different if janna is present or if not

just the other character there, no matter who it is, mentally changes the fight

i was level 1 and got tornado

lane partner died before i hit level 2

i figured right as i posted that having "i" at the beginning of that post would make it seem like im specifically talking about me and how good i am, you interpreted it exactly like that

no one should have to behave as if they are alone in lane just because their partner is a support

so you are banking on the enemy laners being so incompetent that they dont realize that i can do absolutely nothing regardless of my position

really though janna is an incredibly dominant force for disruption all game long. quick launch nados can completely throw people out of sync and that shield is ridiculous, especially with a AD lanemate, more if they are fast and have a complimentary stun. pantheon or a top top sion are the ultimate bros

your nado, gets you close for hits, their stun, you have zephyr and another nado

pretty much everyone is fucked

when the support is level 1 and can do almost nothing to help you except every 10 seconds then yes you should

you act as if the people who killed your lane partner had full hp, and the fight wouldnt have been different had janna been present

almost nothing is something

almost nothing is everything

when the support is level 1, the opponents are level 1

what dont you get

and the circular logic comes back around to i wasnt doing anything

i thought we moved past this

alright, ttyl

the circular logic stems from the fact that you still havent given a reason for standing at an excessive distance from the fight that you are liable to be forced back behind your minions and out of cs/exp range

although i dont see how you figure this is circular logic, all im doing is restating the same point because you havent refuted it

if it takes a turtle 15 seconds to retreat into its shell and avoid danger, and it takes a bear 15 seconds to travel 100 meters to attack the turtle, the turtle being 150 meters from the bear doesnt benefit it any more than being 100 meters from the bear

such is the same with movement in lol, regardless of how little or how much you think you can contribute to a fight, which is why you always see high elo streams players playing at very close range to each other yet not nearly as many kills being scored

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tell me the problems with my logic and i will reevaluate my argument

if i missed what you thought was the point, quote it some

>player who doesnt play talks shit
>play who is bad talks shit

>drunk guy misinterprets civil argument as talking shit

its okay, task doesnt have a man enough voice to chat with me about this

gets off of ventrilo

pretend that an important test is happening later

im going to sleep because its a monday night

hope people post

implying i dont have class at 9am

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