Also I will take whoever is playing the big ten "champ" in the BCS bowl -14.5 without even seeing the match up, 1k fps.

so brave

big east is a joke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAzzbrFgcUw...be_gdata_player

lol

then so is the big ten and acc

true

the difference is the big east only has 8 teams where those other conferences have an additional 4 teams that could be good but are not. 3/8 big east members ranked and undefeated

those 3 ranked teams have not played a serious team yet. not one single game where the opponent has a chance at being ranked by seasons end. keep telling yourself these things are equal, i know you have had a hardon for the big 10 for ever, but at least we try to play marquee teams occasionally. good luck though.

also, as we have all said many times, rankings at this point mean nothing outside of helping to market the product.

final point
with the parity in cfb these days there are really only about 5 programs that are seemingly on a different level. the big east just shields themselves from playing big programs and no one is going to give anyone in the big east much credit until they branch out and start playing some out of conference games against someone other than north carolina and arkansas.

Joe do you realize how football scheduling works? Games are mostly scheduled years in advance.

Rutgers had Arkansas who was a preseason top 10 team
UC had Va Tech which was a preseaon top 15 team
UL had UNC and UK, both solid programs that are down a bit in the past two years

Your best team Osu had who? Cal and nobody else
Nebraska played UCLA and lost
Michigan State had boise and ND, solid
UM played ND and Bama but didnt really show up for either so do we just give credit because they can schedule?

Lastly all of the big east teams got screwed a bit this year with WVUs quick exit and TCU bailing late, which took away an extra conference game away from teams that are/were in the top 25 this year.

Remember also Joe that it takes two to tango. If big east teams cant get other "power" conference teams to agree to play then games just wont happen

i didnt notice va tech, my apologies
arkansas as a top 10 just goes to show how meaningless polls are until we get midway through conference play
unc and uk are on par with purdue. the same caliber of team you claim is trash in your endless big 10 hate
agreed on the wvu part ofc

I don't hate the big ten, I hate big ten arrogance.

the thing is you're wrong

those teams are good, oregon is just the best

that's why it's oregon v bama

if you watched any college football this weekend tell me how that isn't the case

wait

that's totally the only viable matchup because every other team is a pretender, as witnessed this weekend

ok, glad we got that covered

carry on everyone

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There are still a bunch of other teams that have a shot. Oregon St, South Carolina, Florida, WVU, KSU at minimum

Arizona is 3-3, and is going into a tailspin. (lost their last three). While the OK state win was nice, it's sandwiched by an OT win against Toledo and then blowing the doors off a fcs team that's already been used more than once this season as a tuneup for big boy schools.

Arizona is not good. They are average at best.

No one is saying Oregon isn't good.

http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_conf_Men.html

yes, the big 12 is the best conference
i totally agree!

sarcasm always adds value to a discussion

thanks joe!

yeah no

oregon st won't beat the ducks
south carolina & florida play each other still & both have to make it through bama to win the sec, i'll believe it when i see it. good wins for them but lsu & georgia were both overrated. lsu shouldn't have been top 5 for that long.. still a top 25 team but top 5? what a joke. same for georgia

wvu lol. sweet, their qb has an arm. do they even have defensive players?
ksu... if they can outgun wvu maybe but that's a huge longshot, lol big 12



arizona has one bad loss [to oregon]
losing to the beavs by 3 isn't a bad loss, the beavs are a legit threat this year
losing to stanford in ot by 6 isn't a bad loss either imo... that's a close hard fought game. they shouldn't be ranked but "average at best" is sleeping on them... i wouldnt count rich rod's crew out just yet

This post has been edited by lobb on Sun - Oct 7 2012 - 18:52:54

I just want to say, lol preseason rankings beyond rank 1-5 perhaps

Really wish this thread was more than lol nope you are wrong..........

...me?

You think that preseason rankings legitly matter outside of the few good teams due to depth of most leagues whether in skill, or badness?

shalst we go back and analyze previous seasons preseason poll rankings and compare those to early season rankings and end of year poll rankings so we can have adequate proof that the current polls are worthless outside of the top few teams? early season polls are for marketing and status, nothing to be taken overly serious past.

and no one can refute your sos/current record link, gz. but we all know the big 12 aint the best conference so that link is just a nice little snapshot during the season.

We do? There is no chance that top to bottom they are the best conference?



That was more directed at lobb. I know preseason does not mean shit unless you are talking about scheduling. You try to set up games with teams you think are going to be good, once play starts you can't do anything about how anybody but your team performs.

Your justification of Arizona being good was horseshit. A .500 record with an escape against a MAC school means average at best.

Yes, Toledo may be the class of the MAC, however an OT win against even the class of the MAC means you're not good. Plain and simple. There's no gold star for coming close.

the irony is arizona is everything the big 12 is. offense.

POINTS FOR
37.030th Overall
POINTS AGAINST
32.797th Overall

This is what a good team looks like.

They are going to lose against USC, Washington, and Arizona State for sure.

They should beat Utah and Colorado.

UCLA is a crapshoot.

So at best they are 6-6. Probably 5-7.

i think that is what a good team looks like when you look at the conference it plays. i could see them winning any one of those games & also i can see them losing any one of those games. maybe that ends up as 6-6. maybe they surprise everyone and go 8-4. maybe they don't

i think that 6-6 record shows the pac-12 is far stronger than it seems. we play 9 conference games before pac-12 title game. that's 10 games in a conference where every team can beat every other team, save for oregon at the top & colorado at the bottom (/wash st this year [give leach time for his offense to gel imo, they'll be scarier next year])

im not arguing arizona be top25 with those losses but that doesn't mean they aren't a good team... pac-12 conference schedule is brutal no matter who you are. thats 9 games in a row against [mostly] perennial top 25 teams & they're all high tempo. alabama plays western carolina their 2nd-to-last game

Top 25, or at least a winning record and going to a bowl game is what is the mark of a good team.

No, fuck that. Top 25, 30 at most, or you're just not good. You're average. They are an average team. That's what a 500 record indicates, and there is a really good shot they won't be .500 by years end. I just don't see how you can call them good. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. If you finish at .500 and wind up winning 1-2 conference games, regardless of conference, you aren't good.

good luck, that's all anyone on this website is good for anymore

youre an idiot
tell us more about florida

florida has performed much better than myself or any "expert" had figured they would

they aren't going to win the sec or a national championship game, but they will go to a bowl game this year and will improve and be contenders 2 years from now

continue to be a cunt, maybe your cat will lick the sand from your vagina

you should try being a dick at all times in life then think that anyone will treat you with the decency that is posting on the internet
i congratulate you on beating lsu, thats a good win. tennessee? gz. make your own judgement on texas a&m and kentucky. i guess if you had zero aspirations then this would be an improvement.

im not going to discuss football with you, you're childhood team is bad, and your adopted adult team is good enough to beat anyone outside of the sec, end of story

you're being rude to multiple people, more specifically, anyone that disagrees with anything you have to say, not just me [when did you join the gop?]

you are basically taking your dislike for your own failure in life and lashing out at whomever you choose, that's my game, not yours, try living life and making friends outside of the forums sometime

michigan cant beat anyone in the sec, soz. well, maybe the bottom tier, we can actually put up points occasionally. i wont respond to the rest, keep trying.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast

The computers love the Big 12, probably because they didn't solely play cupcakes nonconference like some SEC teams (LSU comes to mind)

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/b...-rankings-oct-9

In before someone cries that CBS plays SEC games

<--------biggest LSU fan in Nation on Saturday
iso UGA to finish with 1 loss and everyone having 2+

@Scott is cinci gonna be able to take rutgers and go undefeated? You know if they do they still wont get a shot at a NC right?

scott, ill be honest, im surprised to see the big 12 have such strength of schedule. I dont think that persists through the season but i very well could be wrong. and while it may be a misconception i still dont think of defense when i think of the big 12.

and the big 10 needs to get its shit together (im looking at you michigan)

If cinci doesnt take rutgers I will be dissapoint, the facebook poops of homeboys in NJ is beginning to become unbearable

Can't wait to see an all SEC championship once the playoffs start, since two teams will clearly be from the SEC

guarantee they wont allow in confrenece national championship when they go to playoffs.
even though it will be warranted, it pisses off the rest of the country

I dont think you should, you should think gun slingers of the west. The exception to that though is Billy Snyder at K-state. Dude just wins



Rutgers is not the game that worries me because it is at home. The one that does more so is UL though because it is at their place.

Rutgers has a very strong D but their offense is laughable most of the time. UL is a bit more balance but really nothing on that team stands out to me thus far as being a huge strength. Teddy Bridgewater is a pretty good young QB who will get a bunch more pub in the next two years.

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