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baken is defense capped now
only 25k hp and proalbey shit mitigation/avoidance
but def capped

i prefer q and e being oh shit keys, taunts and heroic throw, not main attacks
my main rotation is 1-5 and shifts of those

also went ahead and specced for better single target which means worse aoe
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#LAM00fZhbZc...didczsGo:TrAmzM

donno about the glyhs, but those look good proalbey

FAIL healers are FAIL
creator is especially fail

again you missed a key threat talent
focused attacks

+2/5 in cruelty

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#LAM00fZhbZM...zidIzsGo:TrAmzM

what is your crit percent and armor in tank gear?

i specced for what a uld geared tank would be to try it
and what is focused attacks? you mean focused rage? i dont have rage issues.

and the link i posted has 2/5 cruelty

yes focused rage

youre saying you can use an offensive attack every gcd and cleave/heroic strike every white attack without having rage problems?

more rage = more threat

take a WWS of the next time you tank something in any form of raid pliz

i have yet to even consider rage when tanking as long as i have a mob on me
so points better used elsewhere imo

joe what is your crit % chance in tank setup?

check ton8

just looked at bakens spec and it had no points in cruelty, my crit is only 6.5%
cakes

depending on what you are tanking ive read quite a few things that say you can drop cruelty completely, and most builds only have 2/5

Serpentskirt has left the guild

well deep wounds is kinda worthless if you are critting under 10% of the time isnt it

deep wounds is basically up all the time

The beast returns from whence it came. The wrath of Neptulon has subsided.

lol

but its additive on top of itself

it stacks? ive never seen that it can do that.

it doesnt change the tooltip to reflect it in any way, but every time you crit it adds a new instance of the damage, and each instance wears off after the x duration

look @ recount imo

if you look at your damage as dps on recount in some fights where you score lots of crits (loatheb, etc), you will see deep wounds tick for v high damage every now and then (a few seconds after you get a lucky string of crits)

i have never once clicked on recount to look at my stats, only once to see what it did

i thought it just refreshed the existing stack

nah mean
thats why it is so mandatory for every warrior build, and scales great with higher crit chances

that changes my opinion of cruelty, but still i see most specs only 2/5 of it

im just used to playing a class where 1% crit is a very significant increase, and you would be insane to not take it for 1 talent point

the fact that i cant do that with the prot warrior just makes me cry

its a tier 1 talent, its right there, just not enough points uunnhghhhhhhhhhh

and yes thats why im interested in your crit chance with/without raid buffs

clearly the 3 points in cruelty would be a very large threat increase, but you have to give up shockwave/snb/damageshield or armored to the teeth to get it

ATT, especially when its buffed to 3 per 108 is too good to pass
and goes without saying that you cant really pass on a key prot talent in shockwave

you have to drop shield specialization imo
thats the talent i see most drop to get to cruelty, which is seemingly only a rage boost if needed
but really, rage is just never an issue, maybe on long battles where there is only one mob and he hits less times but for more dmg

and yea, i would love the crit%, but with a tank conventional wisdom would say my dps just does not matter, yet the way threat is dps matters
att cant be passed, its just too good
imo as long as we have to go into arms to get deep wounds we have to give up disciplines or shield spec. some pass on conc blow and vigilance too ive seen.

theres going to be prot warrior buffs coming down the line before the patch goes live, im almost positive

one would think so, the war tank model is just fucking goofy imo, and the fact all 3 other tank classes can aoe tank and boss tank effectively (with the same spec) kinda makes me cry a little

maybe threat should be gained when a block/dodge/parry occurs.

thats what damage shield does, but thats only blocks
maybe change it to -> whenver shit swings at you, you deal damage back based on BV?
i could see that being reasonable to go alongside with the fact that blizzard is trying to make block value viable

p sure death knight tanks have superior tanking trees for aoe/single target tanking
but they are also blizzards love child with not assigning a particular tree to one purpose

should somehow include dodge and parry since we have skills boosting those, and just another reason to stay balanced with all 3

NERFS

but nobody stays balanced with block currently, its the og;dc give to paladins stat

no one cares about parry either, or dodge for that matter
basically we have def/mitigation and some extremely long cds

proalbey wont be as bad as people think, but maybe wont allow for all the "hey, look at me, im a dk tank"

k

if you see a piece of parry or dodge on gear its an attractive tank stat
if you see block value, its automatically a sub-par piece

death knights shouldnt get nerfed

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