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That motherfucking cop should be shot.

yeah, he should be morally forced to go on national television and apologize and then resign from his career in shame also

wait wat

Insert black comment here about hating the cops.

I would of tazed that lady to, being 72 doesent give you the right to be a douchebag to cops and curse at them. And sorry that the cop pushed you back so she wouldnt walk into moving traffic, yep he had no right to taze her after he said she was under arrest and she tried to walk away. Silly me, resisting arrest = fine as long as you are over 70 years old

inb4 fiery deb8

you are a cop, so your view is/should be clouded
but we are all people, and cops should not have free reign to abuse shit and you know it

from a non cop hes a fucking tool
from a personal point of view shew an angry old bitch
still does not excuse the cop, no reason to use a tazer on an old woman regardless of her attitude. and i hope you know that m8

and if walking away from a cop = resisting arrest and right to use force then we live in communist russia (sorry vlad)

pooping

I agree with on this one. Proalbey because I'm black and hate cops.

how is walking away from a cop who has told you that you are under arrest NOT resisting arrest?

and how do you go about arresting the said person who is walking away without using force?

To be completely honest, I found it amusing and agree with the cops actions.

Mostly because I've learned the hard way, and have been tasered.

Both of them are douche bags though.

do you see the slippery slope this presents if it is ok to use force on someone who walks away? what if they just turn their head? what if they just say no? should force be reserved for when the other side is attempting the same? when is a cop going too far? this is an old woman here, not some 19 year old black man (seth).

simple fact of life (and american government): once you lose a freedom you will never get it back, and everything acceptable has a gray area that is also acceptable because they are the government. (dan will not im a huge faggot, he believes in the law and the government, and thats fine. i sometimes wish i still had faith in people).

on one hand, i agree with dan that being an old woman does not excuse you from being a cunt to a police officer, or to anyone in general. on the other hand, there are much less painful ways he could have used "force" to carry on with his arrest. i mean it is an old woman, just pick her up and put her in the car.

im sure he was so afraid of being overpowered by this old lady that he felt escalating the matter to the next level was the only sure way to avoid confrontation

not pooping my opinion

logical

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thats a strech

maybe lo cal

Im not a cop (yet) and dont plan on doing street level enforcement unless I win the lotto or something, but I am not saying that the officer was 100% right in how he handled the situation, just that on the scale of justifiable force he went through his progression up to using a taser, which until recently it would of been something like a baton which causes much more harm than a taser. If he was abusing his power than I am all for punishing or dismissing/charging the officer, you should know that is how I feel by now (I would hope). I somewhat agree and disagree with the having no reason to tazer an old women, and the only reason I said that the walking away was resisting arrest was because the officer had already said she was under arrest, and once you are under arrest you are not free to walk away, or do anything the officer does not instruct you to...not saying its 100% right, but thats how the law is written. If he had not told her she was under arrest, tasering her for walking away towards her car is 100% uncalled for and wrong.



The situation could of been handled better, I agree.



I think I explained the use of force thing above, but if the officer had not told her she was under arrest his actions were not justified in the slightest and should be punished. Once you lose a freedom is it very hard if ever to get back, I agree...hence why I did not think the patriot act was all good at the time. And tbh I dont quite get the grey area comment, could you explain it alittle more pliz



Yeah but picking up someone who is telling you not to touch her, and etc you follow the use of force charts that are department policy, and I dont think that you would find picking up an old lady and tossing her into the back seat on them anywhere

what if the cop tells her she is under arrest and she just does not move, like claiming ignorance? would the use of force then be admissible?

Cop: Your under arrest
Lady: Ok
Cop: put your hands on the hood of the car and dont move, do you have anything dangerous in your pockets before I search them?
Lady: What do you mean, should I move?

I dont get your example joe

cop: you are under arrest. spread em!
lady: ...
cop: SPREAD EM!
lady: ...
cop: TAZE THAT BITCH!

If a cop did that, it would not be justified. If the officer does not make it clear through explanation what he wants done then he should not be an officer. I would lol though if the chick bent over and spread the wrong ones

basically she was asking for it
police in any country would do the same, turkish or russian police would beat her up
and dont forget she was lying about not giving hard time to the cop

im sure to the letter of the law the cop was justified
but i dont think anyone could argue it was necessary, or required in the situation. so if its not needed, isnt it abuse of power, regardless of if the letter of the law says its ok?

So what your saying is that even if something is legal and justifiable, it is still abuse of power?

the law is abuse of power in many cases, but what im saying is common sense is > the law
and i never said justifiable, nor would i ever say it is in this exact case

justified = justifiable imo

And in some if not most cases common sense is the law, and how the law was formed...donno gonna go have a few drinks ofc

we are discussing policies in the land of the free, sorry if you were confused

basically, my thoughts are that any "force" from police officers should only be used if he or she feels that the safety of themselves or others are in immediate danger

other than that, i shit my pan­ts

a law is conceived in sense, but put into practice by politicians who get paid by lobbiest(sp?) and judges who have agendas.

you say justified because she ignored him, i say force should only be used when force is used against.
afk wow

if i was her son i would put a bomb in that cops car proalbey

also, lol @ that link calling "dont taze me bro" an immortal phrase

funny at the time, maybe funny for 1-2 jokes a little bit later, but now its w/e

I resent that.

But I agree.



I commend you for being a good man.

This post has been edited by seth on Wed - Jun 10 2009 - 20:07:29

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