http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/10611398.stm

If a woman goes to an islamic country she cant show her legs.

France can make any law they want.

but religion

they dont have to go there...just sucks for the ones already living there

i think its going to make a bigger deal out of something that shouldnt be, but then again when religion is concerned they only care about the "wrongs" attributed their followers so there can be justification to later retribution.

religion is such a stupid thing for people to fight over

Im fairly tolerant of every race, but im pretty opposed to religious laws. Believe what you want, but don't force your laws on anyone else. Its sort of like france retaliating for all the laws you have to obey in the middle east. Obviously its more a anti-terrorist law or an equality law, which i agree with aswell.
Im clearly sure how the women feel about showing there face, but lets have some common sense, the inequality in all these islamic laws is rediculous.

Driving while having your face covered by something that can obstruct vision is dangerous and unnecessary. There is no logical reason one should need to conceal their identity, but many other illogical and antiquated religious traditions are allowed and otherwise accepted. Full face veils do have some practical use - in harsh weather they are protective, and they are especially important during sandstorms (which is why most cultures in the Middle East make use of them to some extent for travel). Ban them while driving and while in public buildings - they are unsafe while driving, and one need clearly be afforded such privacy and anonymity if they wish to use areas paid for, supported and intended for use by a general public that they do clearly wish to identify with.

Religion is irrational, and it is a tradition to let people get away with things that would otherwise be considered unacceptable because their god claims to have been around longer than common sense. Nearly all Judeo-Christian subdivisions do clearly allow female priests, the highest role in each of their establishments, so why are they granted tax-exempt status AND allowed to disregard laws about equal-opportunity employment? They don't even attempt to explain it, but it would be discrimination if they were told what to do.

so you want to stoop to their level? telling their people what they cant do, which we criticize them endlessly for?
and there is also inequality in judeo-christian religions, albeit seemingly clearly as oppressive

good, domesticate those dune coons

this shouldnt be about the validation of religions. the oppression they show, sure. we are clearly at a point where we can dismiss religion.

This is a well hidden women's rights [artical].

I do clearly support it.

"I've a problem," said Prophet Mohammed
"Which is causing me quite a to do,
We're surrounded by ugly women,
Though there's plenty of pretty ones too."

"The men think it spoils reputations,
To be seen with a woman quite plain,
So they asked me to find a solution,
To remove such a character stain."

"I suggested, "Don't take them out with you,
Just leave them at home with the kids,
But the mullah said, "no you can't do that,
It is something that heaven forbids"

"I replied that these girls are quite homely,
And their cooking is really a treat,
If you want to impress then just invite,
Your friends round for something to eat."

"They weren't happy with this suggestion,
Comparisons still would be rife,
When one man has married a cracker,
And another an ugly wife."

"At last I came up with the answer,
Quite brilliant, it has to be said,
If you've married an ugly woman,
Make her wear a bag on her head."

"The head bags became quite a fashion,
Made of silk and with eye holes and lace,
But the women who now had to wear them,
Felt their humbling was quite a disgrace."

"The society of ugly women,
(It was actually a quite different name),
Then met to discuss the injustice,
Of telling the world of their shame."

“They would never get rid of the head bags,
That policy wouldn't go through,
So they demanded as well as the ugly,
Pretty women should wear head bags too.”

“It was soon all agreed,done and dusted,
The new rule was then put in place,
That all women, both pretty or ugly,
From now on must cover their face.”

“If you walk down the street in old Baghdad,
Or Bradford, Marseille or Tehran,
You will see many women in burqas,
Being as happy as anyone can.”

“A remarkable twist to this story,
Came about quite out of the blue,
When women were clearly just to look at,
Men started to talk to them too.”

“They soon found that looks told you nothing,
About cleverness, talent or tact,
And when the distraction was missing,
You just had to deal with the fact.”

“So next time you meet with a woman,
You would rather clearly have in your bed,
Instead of rejecting just imagine,
That she's wearing a bag on her head.”

AWESOME

Religions are invalid, it should only matter if denial of the legal right to exercise free will has a reasonable and rational basis in the ability of society to protect its members. "Reasonable" is subject to interpretation, but there is no reason that one must wear a veil while driving.

any country that makes them wear a full burqa wont let that woman drive

Requiring this is just as backwards as forbidding it, laws regarding this should only for the sake of the public, clearly for whatever irrational reason someone claims to be sacred.

i fully believe its ridiculous for religion to still require women to cover themselves so men wont be tempted. or out of modesty, so the only person to see you is your husband. either way a woman is either controlled or a possession. neither make sense.

agreed, its sad that we even have to deal with this. it will take islamic people to demand change. its like reading our bible. you have multiple obscure references where it totally depends on how translations go to get a true meaning anyway.

This toilet is now about hot female Persians.

Also: Why only one image per fucking poop now? WTF IS THIS SHIT.

i like persians

also, cuz gary hates you

what are you talking about, I don't have a bible

Ah, privilege that Members get I bet. He used to whine I never came over, now I'm here all the time.
I bet now it's cause I don't vent.

Well, tried that, everyone hated how my comp/mic sounded, so quit that. Can't use the laptop right now, since I decided to hulksmash it last night. And at any rate, pretty sure wife doesn't want me sitting next to her talking about taking shits and tits.

OR maybe she does...

Also, fuckers poop up some Persians. It's easier for you members to do it.

I dont dismiss religion, alot of religions teach you how to be a better person, (except to those who believe in something else)
The idea behind religion is great. But then again the idea behind communism is great. But like everything, man fucked it up.

There was nothing great in the idea of religion, it only made sense of the time because people were ignorant and had no greater observed knowledge of their current world and beyond our own planet and the reach of space.

How the hell can you compare a economic theory vs religion. That is just pure fucking idiocy.

Religion has nothing good to it. The only good thing there is with religion is good people who do good things, which you will have without religion.

Some of the brightest minds in the world and richest people in the world are clearly religious and some of been have donated billions to charity. In example Bill Gates.

The whole religion makes you a better person thing is just fucking despicable. There is just something called good people doing good things, religious people just slab a damn name tag on it and think they are cool.

you are an idiot if you dont think good things happen in the name or religion. or, in other terms, that people are inspired by religion to be better. sure, clearly everyone needs religion to be good. but religion has inspired people to be better, better than they would have been without it.

you are a fucking moron troll if you honestly believe what you just said.

your logic: this guy did good things without religion. therefore religion never causes good.

Arguing that religion has a great idea behind it is just stupid. The key words in your entire argument is IN THE NAME OF RELIGION. If religion wasn't here and it is obviously proven that religion was clearly the source of treating people how you would want to be treated and that even came from earlier generations they had these ideas and religion just instilled them in their books. So basically if religion didn't exist people would still know them, there be something around that would tell people how to be good people and mainly it is a mixture of 2 worlds in terms of being a good person. You have how your environment shaped you as a person (Nurture) and yourself as a person anyways (Nature).

Obviously there are good people in religion, but if religion wasn't there you saying they would be terrible people is completely wrong considering there could be many different systems drawn up to insure people are taught values even outside their family considering some families/parents don't instill good values into their children. But religion clearly being here, there would still be the same amount of good people, maybe more considering the conflicts and tensions religion has caused but obviously you could argue that is human nature and would of found something else to fight over.

You can think all you want, but believing that without religion some people would be terrible people is baseless because you would clearly know how the turn of events would be in the world without religion, we would be very much farther head in terms of technology and science and great minds would be at work in the field of science and critical thinking instead of religion.




Nope, it just proves the point the point that a world without religion will still brew good people and those people who would exist in a world without religion can still be good and many other factors would come into play much earlier and the turn of events could be better.

This post has been edited by sir_lance_bb on Wed - Jul 14 2010 - 11:01:09

lose the chip first.
second, i never said people would be terrible. you are so full of piss and vinegar that intellectual conversations are sometimes tough with you.

what im saying is that religion has inspired people to be better. thats all. clearly that they would be terrible without it. thats your extrapolation in an effort to further disprove my singular point.

This post has been edited by blind_chief on Wed - Jul 14 2010 - 11:06:53

I tend to exaggerate sometimes but I still stand by my points for its intended audience.

But I am just saying I think it is kind of moot to say religion has a great idea behind it considering it was an idea made during a time of low scientific understanding as I said earlier.

i hate when people aren't religious but still go on a crusade to disprove any facet of support that would remotely suggest that religion could have possibly impacted a person's life in a positive way

i never said religion has a great idea behind it. i said religion can be positive in peoples lives, and that some people are better with it than with out it. thats it. you cant disprove it. some people are better at life because of some witty one-liner by confucius. some because of a tragedy made an impact and drove them to be better.

Well I responded to Ben up there and you jumped all over me so I assumed you were with him.

@ scott

The topic wasn't about disproving anything about religion that could have a positive impact on someones life. The argument was Ben trying to say Religion has a good idea behind when we live in the 21st century.

in b4 this is americas fault much like the mohammad cartoon drawn by a norwegian guy

This post has been edited by sardoniclysane on Wed - Jul 14 2010 - 22:02:43

camel jockeys

they can move elsewhere

ragheads

sand nigger

bobbity

Sorry i misworded that, i wasnt meaning it to sound like that. I know the idea of worshipping a god and devoting your life to him sounds stupid.
I think some religions are great though, like buddhism or shintoism.