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Oh so you mean people work through people?

It's whatever though bro, if you are happy and have recovered, good for you man.

Wish you the best man.

8/10 on the god shit

almost

Maybe deep down inside you didnt believe you could save yourself. Maybe knowing that god is helping you through, mentally gives you the power to overcome it.

Maybe, maybe clearly. Though nobody is in a position to say for certain, I mean it's clearly like you can have an experience which confirms that God doesn't exist, while there are millions of AA members who explicitly talk about a similar experience.

its a religion thing, you wouldnt understand

if god is in you, and each and every one of us, then it leads to "you saved you".

This post has been edited by blind_chief on Thu - Mar 29 2012 - 19:42:41

we dont need your experiences, and this has nothing to do with you believing or clearly believing in god. this has to do with the concept that it was clearly god who gave you strength, it was you that gave you strength. god does clearly get involved. you may give god the credit but he didnt give you the strength, you always had it and forgot how to use it. its hard to grasp that you were weak enough to be an addict but strong enough to quit all on your own.

This post has been edited by blind_chief on Thu - Mar 29 2012 - 19:50:31

How is that hard to believe? I'm fucked on my own and became an addict, so left to my own devices I'm still fucked.

so god was just herp derping around ignoring you, then magically one day you told him "sorry bro, i was just messin around" and he said "cool, np m8" now you are strong?

God was always with me, I was just blocking myself off from Him. When I turned my life over to Him and started carrying out His will he gave me the strength to do what I need.

if you actually understood christianity you would realize thats clearly how he operates

Where did I ever say that I'm a Christian?

i hope you brought a pot of gold as an offering at the temple of delphi

stopped reading this before p2

Kind of arrogant to think good would save you from a drug overdose but fuck heath ledger and jimi hendrix etc

y'all should just accept lord babby jesus as your savior

clearly at all, I feel that God keeps me sober simply because so many people are dying. 2 of my good friends have died in the last 5 months, one of them had a funeral on Monday. If anything this gives me that much more motivation to try to help people and show them what I did to get well.

See, my best friend died a few years ago, and that's why i can't get behind the 'God saved me'. He was 20, but for some reason, God decided that was enough years to live. I would have thought you could relate, but apparently clearly...
I'm clearly saying there definitely isn't a God, it's just the kind of God you describe, the save some, fuck Africa kind of God, doesn't make sense to my puny human brain...

This is just a sad statement. clearly only are you stating you don't have any self control and believe you aren't strong enough to overcome shit yourself and some magical being is responsible but you are also stating a magical being just so happens is choosing to help you over the starving niggas in Africa or the poor fuckers that live in North Korea starving their asses off in a dictatorship or those poor motherfuckers all over the world that get shit on every day. Or how about people who wake up one day and find out their child gets cancer and suffers then fucking dies.

Just stop it. Holy shit.

god clearly favors Americans

God gave us the gift of free will. this has consequenses, like people doin drugs and killing eachother and africa. God is there to help you when you are ready for it. If you turn to God, you will have the motivation and strength. Yes the strength was inside you all along, of course it was. but your faith allowed you to grasp it

by clearly do you mean clearly or clearly

God has a plan for everyone, I don't deserve to live for selfish reasons, I am kept alive as long as I continue to be of service to Him and those around me. That's it. There's no reason for you to be so mad, though it's understandable.

I am well aware that I deserve to be dead in the ground right now, it isn't fucking fair that me and this kid I shot up with both did the same shit, I went and got well and he fucking dies. The fact that I'm okay after having done so many selfish, dishonest, manipulative things is what keeps me doing what I can for others, and the thing I can do best is reach out to other people like me and show them what I did so they can be saved too.

gz

Is anyone mad if I claim to be god incarnate?

On another note, did I just commit a mortal sin?

being stupid isnt a sin

i always feel like trolling involves one party getting frustrated or mad. we seem to just be engaging in a totally facetious conversation for the sake of the conversation.

unless hedo really is born again evangelical

it should be

I'm clearly religious, I just believe in a Creator and live a spiritual life (my definition of spirituality is simply just doing the next right thing).

re·li·gious
adj.
1. Having or showing belief in and reverence for God or a deity.

i dont know why being a good person would have anything to do with the creator
what if the creator is clearly actually a nice person and actually requires hate and vengeance for survival? what if the creator only created us to watch us destroy ourselves and only allowed you to live so you could experience more pain?

Most people associate being religious with religion, and I have none.

so you are agnostic. thats actually weak sauce. afraid to clearly believe, afraid to commit.

you say you've given yourself to god and serve him yet you're clearly religious. why clearly get baptized? why clearly go all the way to fully serve the beloved god who supposedly saved you? you know you're clearly actually serving god right? you're doing what you want to do.

I know God doesn't require hate for survival because in carrying out His will (removing resentment from my life), I persevere, and grow more content every day.

I am sure God wants me to be happy, joyous, and free, because the more I find myself trying to live on my own will (and clearly His), the more miserable I find myself. Of course, non-alcoholics can afford to live a life filled with resentment, fear, and dishonesty, but for me it's fatal.

we have a winner

afk

I believe in God, but do clearly associate with any religion. How does that make me agnostic?

I was baptized as a baby by my parents, but do clearly consider myself a Christian. Why do I have to be a Christian to believe in God?

I like where this topic went.

Faith will forever be a lose-lose topic.

I have nothing to add that's relevant nor should I.

faith is only lose-lose unless you believe what i believe

family guy on religion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmwBPsB0oaE

If I recall, I haven't made the smallest effort to make others believe what I do, have only explained my experience while everyone else tried to convince me to believe what they do.

alright god dammit 9.5/10

Thats a fair enough answer, but people credit God for everything, "I gave myself to god and he saved me" I would mind as much if they said "I found god and together, we overcame the problem"

That's kind of a silly thing to say, because everything we possess in our will power has been granted to us by God, therefore anything you accomplish has been because of Him.

lol

oh now i see the light