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#859594 | Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 19:35:38
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declared war on russia to steal a worker, troop placement led to some free shit


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#859595 | Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 20:23:09
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peace treaty expired, had an opportunity to kill a settler so declared war again and took it out, "blockaded" russia for another few turns successfully, but moscows combat strength kept rising so i had to attack now or never

heres the turn where i moved into range of being attacked by the city/garrison, not pictured are 1 russian spearman and 1 russian warrior by st petersburg
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fight was amazing, extremely close but managed to get a few key promotions from the early harassment i did while hugging that river south of both cities earlier

result after capturing moscow, and a few turns of defending (hardly defended against recapture as well, was able to keep my last spearman on the single hex southwest of moscow that wouldnt have an "across river" penalty, which kept the city safe while bombard/archer garrison killed the russian spearman/warrior that were backed up against the mountains northwest of the city


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#859596 | Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 20:27:15
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i rushed iron working, was able to purch 2 tiles to expand washington to reach a source, and now researching mathematics

should be able to take st pete, take over hanoi, and drop a settler in the central area of jungle, hopefully all of that helps me recover from 100 turns (epic pace) of horrible economy/no expansion/no culture/bad spawn
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#859598 | Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 21:29:39
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update, just took hanoi (was able to crush them without losing any units since there was plenty of room for attack) and moved my troops back into position on the russian border, my science and culture are horrifying, need to start exploring the ocean for other civs to get tech advantage

st petersburgs defense is going up just as fast as my military strength, im really at a stalemate, but i dont want to make peace for a shitty 100 gold (she will give me 1/2 her current gold and nothing else for peace)
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#859599 | Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 21:29:49
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#859600 | Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 21:57:14
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eliminated russia, lost a catapult, spearman, swordsman, another fight i barely was able to win


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#859601 | Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 22:03:36
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sent a trireme around cuba up toward north america, discovered attila the hun who has 6 battering rams and ~8 other assorted military units, all in the water in the cuba area, coming down toward me

i will be ready, and am glad that i scouted it first
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#859604 | Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 22:43:24
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huns and polynesia both declared war 625 ad, heres the first of the hunnic shit coming down from north america. im going to use this small chokepoint to hopefully hold him, moving in a couple trebuchets behind those couple of units, and will bring some trireme support to keep their melee off mine



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#859605 | Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 22:47:14
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this part of the game is what im worst at, i have no perspective of how much i should be expanding/conquering against how much i should be building infrastructure/tech. i know i will need more cities than this, but theres not really any prime real estate for me to settle new cities, nor is my happiness able to sustain them
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#859607 | Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 22:49:45
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Quote (randomtask @ Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 23:47:14)
this part of the game is what im worst at, i have no perspective of how much i should be expanding/conquering against how much i should be building infrastructure/tech.  i know i will need more cities than this, but theres not really any prime real estate for me to settle new cities, nor is my happiness able to sustain them


first golden age at 900 ad, clearly thats a problem
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#859608 | Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 22:51:19
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just like i had to do with russia, out of necessity/no other choice, im going to have to continue to be hyper-military. will be able to field minutemen soon and start invading up into north america

should hopefully have some amount of success, since minutemen are both a special unit, and are pretty high tech relative to the rest of the game and attila is always low-tech

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#859611 | Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 22:56:53
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step 1


destroy this faggot


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#859612 | Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 22:57:21
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i love the random "hey bro" city from across the ocean
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#859617 | Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 23:06:55
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Quote (blind_chief @ Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 23:57:21)
i love the random "hey bro" city from across the ocean


hes the one who randomly declared war from the other side of the world, his frontline and only invader was a settler

update on my gunpowder being a quick tech, some other civ just completed himeji castle, which means he had already researched the tech im still 22 turns to research, and completed the wonder production as well

looks like george w has some catching up to do

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#859619 | Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 23:42:26
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1280 ad, annexed that random city oahu, so polynesia gave me some gold for peace

conquered the citystate in south america, antwerp

going to retire from this game soon though, im behind citystates in tech, let alone the other civs, im nowhere near astronomy since i had to go the bottom of the tech tree for military strength, and astronomy is a huge deal in a huge earth map, to discover the other civs and get bonus tech from previously-explored techs of them

just cant compete and getting further behind
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#859620 | Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 23:43:58
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gonna go ahead and blame the failure of this game on the horrible shit spawn in south america, with 2 horribly placed citystates to add to it

but i tried, and learned some shit, gz

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#859623 | Fri - Jan 4 2013 - 01:05:46
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lol
grease builds great firewall
spy, that had a few turns left, now has 79,000 turns till stolen intel
1-5 turns -> 79k
ohhh
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#859624 | Fri - Jan 4 2013 - 01:12:18
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greece*
declares war from across the map
sends about 12 troops after 15 or so turns
defend, kill 9/10 of them, no cities take damage
he demands peace and 5 of my cities
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#859625 | Fri - Jan 4 2013 - 01:14:01
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Quote (blind_chief @ Fri - Jan 4 2013 - 02:12:18)
greece*
declares war from across the map
sends about 12 troops after 15 or so turns
defend, kill 9/10 of them, no cities take damage
he demands peace and 5 of my cities


from the game i just played, it seems like if you have no troops near their territory/they arent threatened of losing civs, they want your shit no matter what
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#859626 | Fri - Jan 4 2013 - 01:33:06
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Quote (randomtask @ Thu - Jan 3 2013 - 23:14:01)
Quote (blind_chief @ Fri - Jan 4 2013 - 02:12:18)
greece*
declares war from across the map
sends about 12 troops after 15 or so turns
defend, kill 9/10 of them, no cities take damage
he demands peace and 5 of my cities


from the game i just played, it seems like if you have no troops near their territory/they arent threatened of losing civs, they want your shit no matter what


agreed, i have no forward troops
buy if you send in 10 troops, and 9 die and you dont even damage a city, why are you demanding multiple cities as a price of peace? go ahead, wait another 15 turns, send more shit, maybe you actually hurt me. if i felt military was my #1 goal id build up, but ive done a fair job at taking a shitty build/scenario and making it competitive. aka im going to lose after 1k turns
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#859637 | Fri - Jan 4 2013 - 12:07:33
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turn 1015, greece wins science race, had all buy my 2 city-states in his pocket all game. the computer does not even try to compete with him.
will start another huge, earth, slow, play as ethopian map and expand much more early on.
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#859639 | Fri - Jan 4 2013 - 13:09:46
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new game, got a good start spot in saudi arabia area, expanded quick to some great territory



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suddenly, even though its 1675 ad, iroquios units out the ass



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#859640 | Fri - Jan 4 2013 - 13:13:00
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#859641 | Fri - Jan 4 2013 - 13:15:08
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OH GOD, THEY WONT STOP COMING
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#859642 | Fri - Jan 4 2013 - 13:17:47
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gonna go ahead and reload an autosave, taking a mulligan on this one
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#859648 | Fri - Jan 4 2013 - 15:50:05
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iroquois are OP
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#859652 | Fri - Jan 4 2013 - 16:40:46
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going back down to difficulty 6 for a while, need to learn more tactics and 7 is too unforgiving
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#859691 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 19:24:15
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random map type, standard size, standard speed

explored the shit out of the continent with scout/warriors and america sight bonus, first teched mining/bronze/masonry because only resources around me are salt/copper/marble. opened game with purchasing a warrior and went honor policy to clear this whole area of barbarians and followed tech with ironworking so i could have a huge amount of land able for my settlers that im pumping (1 just finished and founded city, 1 about to finish, and 1 about to be purchased so i can heavy landgrab (since its a big continent with 5 civs counting me)



x marks the spots of iron on the map









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#859698 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 20:05:07
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uh oh philly





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#859702 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 20:14:31
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realized that city is in terrible placement for defense against an invasion from the east, with the 2 hills right there (catapult in city cant hit shit on the other side of hills)

thought it would be attacked from the south if anything, but mongolia settled that city east of me and came from there, i think i should have settled on the x on the pic

was able to sell off all my luxuries to napolean to have enough to buy another catapult, and brought my shit from other cities, got on the hills before atilla actually DOW'd)

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#859703 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 20:25:58
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successfully defended, was able to cover all approaches to block battering rams from getting in melee range of the city, and since rams cant attack units, my units were able to survive while my range picked off their melee, then their range

afterward, atilla sued for peace, only asking for the city of philadelphia, ohh
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#859705 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 20:29:42
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currently fighting atilla
or i should say he attacked me from across asia, i have a nice terrain setup and the great wall
im sure he will still want all my cities
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#859706 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 20:42:31
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pushed east with the remaining defending force, captured atillas city (he still wants all my gold/luxuries for peace) right as napolean randomly declares war and now is pushing down into new york, which looks like it will go down (pillage money let me buy a composite bowman garrison, and had a catapult and comp bow coming for defense anyway, but it looks like they will be too late

going to pull these chariot archers back, take new york back and see if i can be offensive at all against napoopan


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#859707 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 20:44:33
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i seriously dont understand the happiness levels of AI.. i have all my luxuries upgraded and traded for other luxuries, all my cities have all available happiness buildings, and im sitting at 0

ais have just as many cities, and 37 happiness
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#859708 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 20:47:33
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loading save from before i went on offensive vs atilla, we will still be at war, but my cities are so spread already, if i can hold my land and settle new cities in between my 4, ill be in good shape
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#859709 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 20:59:31
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i wish the devs could just give the AI proper combat tactics and reasoning, instead of idiotic free shit bonuses
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#859710 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 21:09:47
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Quote (randomtask @ Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 21:47:33)
loading save from before i went on offensive vs atilla, we will still be at war, but my cities are so spread already, if i can hold my land and settle new cities in between my 4, ill be in good shape


did this, then was able to defend new york from napolean

had to watch these idiot units march around my shit, of course players dont have the dialogue option of "YOUR UNITS ARE ALL OVER MY BORDERS, ARE YOU TRYING TO GO TO WAR OR WHAT?" like computers do

now 3/4 civs on this continent are at war with me



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#859711 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 21:12:06
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I agree. I'd rather them fight logically than have 90 billion units and zerg rush. Tried the world map, was france. Running around having to deal with barbs, Ottoman says hi, letz be friends. I like fatties with beards, so I say yes, then he declares war, 4 archers and 6 warriors take out my 2nd city, and he's advancing on capital. It's 500 bc. Fuck you Ottoman.

Anyways, gn8 game, I don't feel like wanting to punch something tonight.
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#859712 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 21:12:29
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having 0 iron is really paying off for me in this game
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#859713 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 21:14:31
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I agree. I'd rather them fight logically than have 90 billion units and zerg rush. Tried the world map, was france. Running around having to deal with barbs, Ottoman says hi, letz be friends. I like fatties with beards, so I say yes, then he declares war, 4 archers and 6 warriors take out my 2nd city, and he's advancing on capital. It's 500 bc. Fuck you Ottoman.

Anyways, gn8 game, I don't feel like wanting to punch something tonight.


all i do is rage at computer imbalances when playing against computers, and playing against players requires you to have people who want to sit down and play for x amount of hours while all of you having to pay full attention to not extend turns too much longer than they already are
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#859714 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 21:15:53
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really, why cant napolean and persia DOW each other in this game? their entire empires share a border with each other, instead they have to march all their shit down into my territory
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#859715 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 21:16:54
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going to barely defend/maybe lose my capital to this persian shit, time for a new game
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#859716 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 21:21:02
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games vs ai: pick one, religion, culture, science, expansion, economy, citystates. whichever you pick you will be on par or slightly behind the AI, and you will be way behind in every other category
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#859717 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 21:23:01
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ive concluded that it just doesnt work to go for the bottom of the tech tree first, especially on larger maps
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#859719 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 21:24:01
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Quote (randomtask @ Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 22:23:01)
ive concluded that it just doesnt work to go for the bottom of the tech tree first, especially on larger maps


you cant utilize the bonus of being strong militarily in the early game, because ai's have superior numbers of units just by default
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#859720 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 21:24:51
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new game

babylon
random map tpe
standard size
standard speed
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#859721 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 21:35:54
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I actually try and rush tech first, to grab a few decent wonders early (great lib, pyramids, maybe oracle), though then I'm so far behind militarily that on difficulties 5 or higher it's gn8 me. Hell sometimes that won't even work on 4.

The only thing that seems to work is a really slow approach, hope to have lots of luxuries to do multiple research agreements AND take the money away from the other civs so they can't insta purchase....hope you can get to flight before them, then use bombers to fuck everyone in the ass.
At that point you can go dom or science and you'll win.

But doing that every single game has just gotten boring.
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#859722 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 21:36:24
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It's also completely map dependent, a bad staring position means you're done for.
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#859723 | Sat - Jan 5 2013 - 21:36:24
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new game

babylon
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standard speed
diff 6


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going to block japan from sending a settler down (until they can embark), will try to settle a city on the wine in the middle of the island, it might reach that natural wonder right there if the citystate doesnt expand to take it first

had a ruin which increases population, so im going for gr8 library
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