He's younger than favre with less years in the nfl.

ISO: Favres pension check!

they should start a veterans only team in the nfl called the spring chickens. favre would get the starting spot and warner could wait a few years for him to die to take over.

did he retire

yes
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...ts&confirm=true

i liked kurt

same

Am I too old to retire?

Fucking brett ruining shit for everyone now.

he's a class act who kept coming back after getting the shaft from teams that didn't allow him to fully realize his talent. he's one of the greatest football players of all-time.

He sure made Leinart his bitch.

Although, Warner>Bulolger

He may belong in a crypt but he's > most quarterbacks who've played the game. He has flat-out talent, which is pretty hard to find. A lot of guys are spoon-fed but he has his own game. One of the reason why I like Favre is that he also has his own game. I think Manning is more of a product that a creator, but he's obviously one of the all-time best as well. One thing I can't stand in basketball (shifting sports now) is that even in the NBA a lot of guys are just big athletic bodies who pretty much operate mechanically. Guys like Kobe Bryant have the mechanics to do the job, but they posses a lot of other special qualities that you can't teach. I think Warner has unteachable qualities, or maybe things only experience can provide.

This post has been edited by RewtheBrave on Fri - Jan 29 2010 - 20:41:21

Manning is not the product of anything. He's just the only quarterback in the NFL with a REAL understanding of the game. As much as I hate him, he's the head coach of the colts.. Not Jim Caldwell.

guys, stop acting like u know anything about sports. favre is the only QB worth talking about in this century

lol evan

LOL

I mean evan is the one with top genetics here, he would know if someone else had them also.

You just said Kurt Warner has his own game and then said Manning is a product. This is exactly why nobody has any respect for canadians.

I don't see much novelty in Manning's game. Nothing against him--he's a fantastic quarterback. But I don't think he changed the game at all.

and kurt warner has ?

manning has more understanding of offense than any qb ever, including my personal favorite qb montana. he probably has more understanding of the game than any coach has ever had. dude is a machine.

Not to mention Jim Caldwell is the stunt double/stand in head coach. Manning runs the show.

You should probably not log back in. I don't know if you are retarded. But Peyton is the one who perfected the scheme of the "no-huddle" offense. He probably has the highest football IQ of anyone in the league and debatable of all time.

Just because peyton is the quarterback that every coach wants doesn't mean he doesn't have his own style. Peyton Manning's style is being extremely accurate and having a good arm and also having an amazing understanding of the game.

I am a huge fan of Kurt Warner but Peyton Manning isn't a product of the system.

Peyton Manning is the BEST player and talent in the game. Not only does he have the talent he has the drive and motivation.

I was listening to ESPN Radio last night and they were saying how the line on the game is -3.5 for the Colts. They then said if Peyton Manning wasn't their QB the line would be +7 for the Colts.

1 Player making a 10+ point swing = One fucking amazing player.

I don't see how people can argue against Manning. I mean he's not only the best QB in the game (and maybe all time), he's also that teams head coach.

Also, which system you want to call him the product of? PLAYOFFS? WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT PLAYOFFS.. PLAYOFFS? COME ON.. PLAYOFFS? (aka Jim Mora SR.) Tony Dungy? Jim Caldwelol? Cut plz.

peyton manning will also rewrite every record brett favre has broken

just sayin

Not sure if he'll get that interception record, tbh.

good point, forgot about that one

Consecutive starts wont be easy, he has to retire before peyton can gain any ground on him.

This post has been edited by Daniel on Sun - Jan 31 2010 - 16:09:04

osteoporosis. but i also think he brings a special attitude to the game that's really unique. maybe his adversity gave him something special. i think character alone can change the game. i don't think there's any definitive syllogism that will prove a point about how he's changed football. i think he's 2nd all-time in pass completiion percentage, but that doesn't really say a lot to me. it speaks to talent, not influence or character. i believe thoroughly that "a man's character is his fate" and the rest is decided by chance or death (or physical/mental disability).



you know i'm not retarded. manning certainly made his mark on football, but i still think he was sort of standing on the shoulder of giants. he's self-taught and he also picked up all the stuff he was fed through his career. but i never saw anything special about him that really leaves much of a mark, outside of a pack of records.

"I've only had the privilege of being around one other person that I can say was close to him and that was (Hall of Fame running back) Walter Payton," Graves said. "I think when you have an extraordinary player and one who is just as extraordinary off the field, then you realize you were in the presence of someone special."

^^ not sure if the same might be said for manning. i'll grant him points for working on his no huddle offense, but i'm not sure it's anything new. perfection isn't invention. taking the tools u have and using them isn't going to make a big difference. that's my impression, and it's basically the impression that there's nothing novel about his approach to the game. and so i don't know if he made any big change.

it's like in basketball one could say that tim hardaway changed the game (a bit, not much tbh) but tim duncan hasn't changed the game at all. tim duncan is the better player, but imo his influence on the game isn't very impressive. he's physically gifted, he's a hard worker, he has a huge list of stats and records, etc. but he didn't change the game by means of character or ability. and he has a great IQ for the game of basketball. and actually one can argue that kobe bryant has the best basketball iq of all-time, but his actual biggest technical influence on the game is mostly a matter of how he plays in the foul line extended area--and i don't see a lot else, except for his skill level, hard work and his impressive change toward becoming a better team player. among active players i don't think he will have the greatest impact on the game of basketball. he has a lot of character, not all admirable, but he's like a speck of dust compared to michael jordan, pete maravich, or magic johnson when it comes to influencing the game (imo).

if you look at records and technical ability, manning is going to win every time over warner--but not by a huge margin with all things considered. then again i don't mind if my views do look a bit sideways. i've never considered winning and statistics the meaning of sport. to me it's about the characters and what they do and how they have effects on others and the game itself. donno ... i don't really mind disagreement but i hope this was an interesting read

Warner started every game completely blitzed outta his mind.

favre has top genetics, right below me ofc

If you discount winning and statistics in a sport, you've discounted everything about that sport.

This isn't about who is a classy guy (not that Manning isn't). But it's about who's the better football player.

Manning is by far hands down. It's ridiculous to otherwise. If you have to bring character into a discussion about who is a better player you've already lost.

Remind me to never ever talk football with you because you care if the guy has good character or not.

I have already stated to you that just because Peyton Manning is a perfect QB, he is some brought up designed weapon.

You act like he is some type of military experiment. He is just a badass with some good genes considering his dad was a qb.

exactly superior genes. like me

I know what you mean but it misses the mark in terms of what I was suggesting. I don't discount winning and statistics, and I'm not worried about who the superior football player is. My thought is that Warner has a richer character, and that plays into how he has changed the game. And to be honest I don't want to stretch the point, because while he was a great football player (still right up there with Manning imo), even the mark he left on the game wasn't the "greatest" ever made. But I do think it's more significant than Manning's mark. Not that that isn't contestable either, but at rock bottom it seems to me thats the case. I guess the greatest football player would have a pretty universal appeal, an impact on the game, a lot of big stats and wins, good genes or a great heart and mind for the game, etc etc etc. In that case a lot of players come to mind. Sports are about a lot of things. If they were just about winning they would be pointless and the stories about sports would be meaningless. That being said, I'm pretty competitive on the basketball court.



I have no quarrel with these statements

This post has been edited by RewtheBrave on Mon - Feb 1 2010 - 20:40:44

I still am at a loss to see how Warner "Changed the game", by being a good person off the field.

That's akin to saying Michio Kaku changed theoretical physics by not beating his wife.

lol

Character isn't just an off the field thing. But off the field matters more than on the field, when it comes to actual performance. Training, off-season workouts, personal development, eating ... all mean a fair bit more than what happens on Sunday/Monday in terms of how someone will change the game. Kobe Bryant wakes up at 5 am to start playing basketball and to get his workout going. I know that's not what you meant, though. But the outside stuff matters for how someone changes the game; it's sufficient, but not necessary, as a condition for changing the game.

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