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#534871 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 01:56:31
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Ulduar
Pure Saronite mining nodes have temporarily been disable in Ulduar and will return in the future.
The Ignis the Furnace Master encounter has received the following changes: The interrupt effect and duration of the damage from Flame Jets has been reduced, the damage from the Slag pot has been reduced, the number of Heat stacks needed to transform an Iron Construct into a Molten state has been reduced, the base melee damage done by Ignis has been reduced, and the damage bonus Ignis receives from Strength of the Creator has been slightly increased.
The Assault Bots on the Mimiron encounter will now attack faster, in turn they will do less damage per hit.
The XT-002 Deconstructor encounter has received the following changes: The duration of Tympanic Trantrum has been reduced, the timer for XT-002 to hit berserk has been increased, the damage of Light Bomb has been reduced, the effect radius of Light Bomb has been reduced, and the health of XM-024 Pummeler has been reduced.
The aggro radius for several trash mobs before General Vezax has been reduced and the health has been reduced on Void Beasts and Faceless Horrors.
The Kologarn encounter has received the following changes: The damage of Stone Grip has been reduced, the amount of time to break someone out from the right hand has been increased, the radius and damage of Rumble has been reduced, and the damage of Focused Eyebeam has been reduced.
The Assembly of Iron encounter has received the following changes: The damage of Rune of Death has been reduced, the damage of Chain Lightning has been reduced, and the damage of Lightning Whirl has been reduced.

Vault of Archavon
The Emalon encounter has received the following changes: The total health of the Tempest Minions has been reduced and Emalon’s Chain Lightning spell will now have a limit on the number of targets it can hit.
 
#534872 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 01:57:28
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tl;dr

first 6 bosses in ulduar are a fraction of their original selves
emalon in vault is now puggable
 
#534873 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 02:00:59
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kinda-sorta-maybe like the change to vault

having emalon too difficult for 95% of pugs was probably overkill, it caused the social and lfg aspect of the raid to be so screwed because half the people automatically assume that emalon wont be done because hes too hard, the other half want to do him and only him because they dont need archavon, leading to
mediocre people want to do emalon
shitty people, or good people playing shitty gear alts, want to do archavon

now that its possible to pug emalon, groups will have to be specifically set on either emalon or just arch
hes still not going to be cake which means it still wont be free handouts to bad players, this just makes it a little more manageable to put it in the realm where its possible to be pugged if you plan the group accordingly
 
#534874 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 02:02:32
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and i agree with ulduar nerfs, first bunch of bosses shouldnt be as hard as they all were originally

although a lot of the first bosses drop close to BiS loot, oh well, in 3.0 everyone who could pug naxx had BiS gear for no actual effort, so more of the same
 
#534885 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 03:58:04
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Ignis was already nerfed, he shouldn't have been made easier. He is optional and drops many BiS tanking equipment.

I'm not sure I agree about the Emalon nerf, I wanted to fight him as a guild at full force, but our guild does not raid anything but Ulduar now.

The nerfs to Iron Council are also not needed, but I suppose that's because we spent 3 hours progressing that fight and clearing it.

The rest I can not yet say as I haven't faced them, although the guild has cleared some of them (last week). I think we could have easily (one night of progression) downed Kologarn without the nerfs.

tl;dr - Hard bosses are fun, stop making them easier.

This post has been edited by MoS. on Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 04:00:28
 
#534894 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 06:44:38
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There is no definitive BiS anything right now. No one has downed Algalon and hard mode loot tables are not complete.
 
#534898 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 07:55:53
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o well, i have only done mirmiron and 30% of vexaz
 
#534899 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 08:14:12
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Quote (Duped @ Apr 29 2009 - 07:44:38)
There is no definitive BiS anything right now. No one has downed Algalon and hard mode loot tables are not complete.


normal people arent going to consider algalon loot anyway
as well as many of the hard modes for at least a few months
 
#534921 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 09:09:08
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still never done emalon
my guild was supposed to do him today but i get home from work yesterday and they are doing it
meh, just another guild with looking out for #1

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#534958 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 10:50:22
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Quote (randomtask @ Apr 29 2009 - 09:14:12)
Quote (Duped @ Apr 29 2009 - 07:44:38)
There is no definitive BiS anything right now. No one has downed Algalon and hard mode loot tables are not complete.


normal people arent going to consider algalon loot anyway
as well as many of the hard modes for at least a few months


then the term "best in slot" is not valid
 
#534960 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 11:14:53
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itt: semantics
 
#534961 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 11:17:06
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itt: the term "best in slot" becomes too serious in wotlk
 
#534962 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 11:17:41
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Quote (hedonism @ Apr 29 2009 - 09:17:06)
itt: the term "best in slot" becomes too serious in wotlk


everything is fucking serious
afk lolmaster
 
#534963 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 11:19:43
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im gonna lobb you even harder once you get nerdmaster joe
 
#534964 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 11:21:51
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im just gonna have joe do mine
 
#534966 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 11:24:29
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Quote (randomtask @ Apr 29 2009 - 09:19:43)
im gonna lobb you even harder once you get nerdmaster joe


thats ofceci
 
#534968 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 11:24:49
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Quote (hedonism @ Apr 29 2009 - 09:21:51)
im just gonna have joe do mine


i may never want to do another quest again when i finish :donno:
 
#534998 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 13:26:17
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Quote (blind_chief @ Apr 29 2009 - 11:24:49)
Quote (hedonism @ Apr 29 2009 - 09:21:51)
im just gonna have joe do mine


i may never want to do another quest again when i finish :donno:


THIS
 
#535021 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 15:02:37
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i think if i set a goal for something reasonable like 10-15 quests per day, i can see it eventually getting done

thats like 3-4 weeks
 
#535033 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 15:09:29
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Quote (hedonism @ Apr 29 2009 - 13:02:37)
i think if i set a goal for something reasonable like 10-15 quests per day, i can see it eventually getting done

thats like 3-4 weeks


been spending too much time doing various raid
though its the first time ive ever been able to do most the raids every week so kinda nice
 
#535035 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 15:10:05
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i lag way too much at school to raid seriously
 
#535125 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 17:17:31
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lol raid nerfs
 
#535197 | Wed - Apr 29 2009 - 20:57:05
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Quote (lobb @ Apr 29 2009 - 17:17:31)
lol raid nerfs


 
#535375 | Thu - Apr 30 2009 - 07:58:46
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emalon was already puggable with 750k health adds

the average pug is just bad and cant dump their share of the damage because they either click them too late, fail at damage dealing, or in most cases both
 
#535419 | Thu - Apr 30 2009 - 10:54:41
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Quote (HCL @ Apr 30 2009 - 07:58:46)
emalon was already puggable with 750k health adds

the average pug is just bad and cant dump their share of the damage because they either click them too late, fail at damage dealing, or in most cases both


Didn't it take you like 8 months to hit 80 and you are now a WotLK Raid Pro?
 
#535420 | Thu - Apr 30 2009 - 10:58:14
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Quote (MoS. @ Apr 30 2009 - 11:54:41)
Quote (HCL @ Apr 30 2009 - 07:58:46)
emalon was already puggable with 750k health adds

the average pug is just bad and cant dump their share of the damage because they either click them too late, fail at damage dealing, or in most cases both


Didn't it take you like 8 months to hit 80 and you are now a WotLK Raid Pro?


thats the nature of wotlk
 
#535424 | Thu - Apr 30 2009 - 11:24:43
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Quote (hedonism @ Apr 30 2009 - 10:58:14)
Quote (MoS. @ Apr 30 2009 - 11:54:41)
Quote (HCL @ Apr 30 2009 - 07:58:46)
emalon was already puggable with 750k health adds

the average pug is just bad and cant dump their share of the damage because they either click them too late, fail at damage dealing, or in most cases both


Didn't it take you like 8 months to hit 80 and you are now a WotLK Raid Pro?


thats the nature of wotlk


Bottom Feeder -> Top Dog
 
#535577 | Thu - Apr 30 2009 - 15:14:08
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4 months I think
 
#535579 | Thu - Apr 30 2009 - 15:14:30
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Quote (HCL @ Apr 30 2009 - 15:14:08)
4 months I think


spent half the time twinking and then pvping though at different brackets
 
#535583 | Thu - Apr 30 2009 - 15:40:03
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Quote (MoS. @ Apr 30 2009 - 11:54:41)
Quote (HCL @ Apr 30 2009 - 07:58:46)
emalon was already puggable with 750k health adds

the average pug is just bad and cant dump their share of the damage because they either click them too late, fail at damage dealing, or in most cases both


Didn't it take you like 8 months to hit 80 and you are now a WotLK Raid Pro?


 
#536851 | Sun - May 3 2009 - 19:04:22
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guys lets do some math

assuming you have 5 healers and 2 tanks so 18 dps

Old 25 emalon enraged add had 754000 health
/ 20 seconds before explode
/18 dps
= ~2095 dps per dpser

thats not counting damage done by offtank. mmkay. Even if everybody is laggy and cant get to the mob until the third stack of enrage thats still only ~3000 dps per person. And if people couldnt do that fully raidbuffed, why are they doing an ulduar 25 difficulty boss?

Now new emalon adds have 519000 health
/20 seconds to explode
/18 dps
= ~1442 dps per person

the fact that people dont do that much damage against a conquerer's difficulty encounter boggles the mind
 
#536852 | Sun - May 3 2009 - 19:09:56
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look at this guy talking shit
 
#536881 | Sun - May 3 2009 - 20:49:59
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Quote (randomtask @ May 3 2009 - 19:09:56)
look at this guy talking shit


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