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#549636 | Sat - May 30 2009 - 18:07:43
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A lot of the tank balance problems we are having exist because we thought block would be a better mitigation stat than it has turned out to be. I say "we" because the druids and DKs were also convinced at the time that they would be mana-sponges and everyone was quoting "The unblocked hit is the new crushing blow."

For a variety of reasons, reality didn't work out that way. For one, we underestimated how much removing crushing blows would change the landscape. In fact, you can argue that the big magic hits (the dragon breaths and plasma blasts) are really the new crushing blows, and block does nothing to them (modulo 4 piece bonuses and the like). DKs were given amazing cooldowns, high armor and high avoidance to make up for them not being able to block. Druids were given even higher armor and high health. We backed druids off from that a little in part because they were going to end up with dps stats almost no matter what gear they chose so we wanted to incorporate those a little more into tanking. We kept buffing DKs based on early (mostly heroic dungeon) reports that healers hated healing DKs because they were so squishy when their cooldowns were blown. That seems to be less of an issue now with current levels of gear and some of the other changes to the game since then.

We will almost certainly change block. I can't tell you when we'll change it, because it's a big change. We probably don't want shield-users to be at 100% up time of block if they block more per hit. We have to be careful what happens to threat since that's a big part of block, especially for warriors. Heck, maybe we fall in love with the 4 piece warrior bonus and decide to make that a core part of the ability.

We might very well nerf DK mitigation or cooldowns again. We're less worried about druids, but if we nerfed DKs it might be that druids take their place. We are less likely to just buff the shield-using tanks because we like the current difficulty of the hardmode fights for them and we are reluctant to have to buff those encounters to correspond for a tank buff. Though as we've said elsewhere, we might give paladins another cooldown.

Just remember that one player's "slight advantage" is another's "faceroll tanking and trivializing encounters." The balance goal has always been "close enough" not "identical."

tl;dr -> DK's too gozu as tanks, nerfing to make Druids the new gozu tanks
 
#549651 | Sat - May 30 2009 - 18:13:07
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#549672 | Sat - May 30 2009 - 18:24:20
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this is p old

and that paragraph is about block, druids dont have block

dks are losing some armor from frost presence being nerfed, block is being reworked
 
#549798 | Sat - May 30 2009 - 22:16:30
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Quote (randomtask @ May 30 2009 - 18:24:20)
this is p old

and that paragraph is about block, druids dont have block

dks are losing some armor from frost presence being nerfed, block is being reworked


We might very well nerf DK mitigation or cooldowns again. We're less worried about druids, but if we nerfed DKs it might be that druids take their place.
 
#549967 | Sat - May 30 2009 - 23:28:10
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druids are only bad because blizzard didnt do shit for itemizing for them
they removed extra armor from cloaks and rings and trinkets with 3.0 and they have been low representation since
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