From evans topic, I might try a few of these out to see how they go...

http://bodybuilding.about.com/od/healthyre.../proteinbar.htm

http://liftforlife.com/content/bodybuildin...placement_Bars:

They have one with roughly 29g protein, 28g carb, and 260cals which is not to bad...i think its 1/4 way down the 2nd link page

If anyone knows of anything else too

And also dustin I am 99% sure john uses http://www.trueprotein.com/Product_Details...cid=22&pid=6843

i think i may buy that shake mix. except it is high in cholesterol

that's an impressive price.

basically isolates are the way to go, that stuff is apparently an isolate based product so gz. the amino acid profile is fine. u should be taking in various proteins on a daily basis, so making up anything missing from the amino acid profile should be easy, especially if u eat eggs.

That is interesting, i use cytogainer every now and then but it's also high in calories.Still have like 10 pounds of it but i may look at that stuff later.

I think that sunday or monday I will test out making some of these things, and yeah i mean if youre trying to bulk then that stuff with tons of cals might be better but this stuffs cheap and does the job...comes in a huge ass bag