Americans have changed their way of life because of the events of September 11, 2001. We have spent trillions of dollars on wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, we have a different mindset about compromising our personal liberties to prevent terrorism, and we have allowed the aftermath of this event to have a very negative overall impact on our nation. The aftermath has been a large factor in the downturn of our economy, and we have done this through our reaction. bin Laden knew that the downfall of America wasn't in killing a few thousand people at a time, it was through crippling the economy.

Only will click this link http://www.washingtonpoop.com/blogs/ezra-k...OPjfF_blog.html

shut up

voting i dont care in a daily steve poll

I like this toilet

i read this earlier today
i think its fair to say that osama, if this was his real plan, and based on his first reaction in oct 2001 this certainly was what he wanted from us, id say at the moment he is certainly winning. 1.2something tril on wars, who knows how much on the explosion of intelligence agencies/contractors etc

we basically forgot that we used to build things and decided we needed to be the police state (and while this sounds totally reactionary you cant discount that for the last 10 years we have been totally focused on intelligence and war and have convinced ourselves that anything that helps society is socialistic and clearly american in nature [which can be as simple as infrastructure projects building bridges or public transportation])

do i think he won? clearly entirely, hes dead and his group now lacks a real leader. but we didnt win either. we played into his hand as much as he was hoping.

This post has been edited by blind_chief on Tue - May 3 2011 - 23:16:15

i feel like one thing we lack as a superpower is the ability to take into account the blowback of our actions. osama is a perfect example. us being in saudi arabia basically created him. now thats clearly to say its our fault, only that our actions have consequences and we generally fail to take the negative into account. or rather we seem vindicated in our actions that any repercussions are acceptable because the cause was just.

‎"President Bush had 2,686 days to catch Osama bin Laden. President Obama got that job done in 831 days." - Lawrence O'Donnell

this is why any war on drugs is just retarded

the US has yet to understand that

totally agree

Nvm

This post has been edited by xstakemx on Wed - May 4 2011 - 06:55:35

Nvm

This post has been edited by xstakemx on Wed - May 4 2011 - 06:56:06

lol @ adam

or fbi or any other agency already using nkvd/kgb methods?

i know

task rats us out

Nope, it's pointless to try having any sort of legit or meaningful conversation on here so I retracted my interaction

Please, feel free to carry on. I would prefer if you just keep the stereotypical opinion of me that I am bitter about everything and provide no relevant content about anything unless it is about beer.

so we are clearly good enough for ya!?!

at first i was in favor of the war against terrorism. then i went with the war in iraq thinking "ok, its good we are policing weapons of mass destruction, it is for the good of the world" but now it is crazy. im glad we killed osama, and realize we cant just leave the middle east, but also i wish we had some sort of idea what progress was being made. i have faith in the government, but there is no information released about what we have to show for the money and lives spent.

i just hope they have a damn good reason for being there

watch more fox news bro

Closer to ~5t on the two wars right now. The fear of socialism and un-American things is reinforced by continual news coverage through a variety of new and old outlets (tv, internet, etc.), and the past decade the fear-mongering has done a great job of keeping people addicted to constant news coverage and to-the-minute updates on everything in their life. There is a fear of "clearly knowing" that is induced by momentary disconnection from some sort of news network or social network, but this lacks a component of critical thinking, so any jibberish will satisfy it.

lets shut down the government

The terrorists will always win.

We never made a significant change in how we live because of terrorist attacks before 2001.

shut'er down

You pulled out the wrong notion of my statement.

nick, stop quoting your stupid fucking meaningless statement. it's clearly about "catching" osama bin laden, the actual 9/11 attacks in terms of damage and death toll are actually pretty minor in the grand scheme of terrorist attacks. it's about how the implications affected our way of life, and how we let the events destroy the fabric of our country from the inside out. catching him won't change that, his death won't change that.

that is assuming the fabric of our country is clearly going to shit

to many lazy unmotivated slobs

lazy and unmotivated slobs have nothing to do with our beliefs on personal liberty

bin Laden just stood for what happened on 9/11 and organizing it..he has dedicated followers as well as the Islamic religion making it just as dangerous as it was prior 9/11
therefore taking him out of the game did nothing but take one piece out of the puzzle (mind you a very important piece nontheless)
so terrorist threats are => to what they were before, if clearly hire

why has this toilet clearly had any counterstrike references yet

that is literally the only thing i think about when i open this topic

i searched for a quality counter terrorists win image but came up with nothing from the ilolphone when i first opened this

lol, same exactly

What about people who sit idly by and do nothing about the erosion of liberties when they have more access to the knowledge about it than ever? Wiretaps, suspension of habeas corpus, suppression of free speech, and the grants of economic and financial privilege to private corporations that have political leverage so their dollar can be worth more than yours.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/05/04/rel8b.pdf

i think its more sad the question was even asked
also, notice 18-34 males are N/A (as usual in the polls ive seen from cnn)

republicans voted unanimously to continue oil companies subsidies, and also voted to cancel any talk about paul ryans bill on medicare (yes, i watched rachel today )

for the record, voting isn't "doing nothing". that being said, we shouldn't have to protect our country from it's own leaders, and it's clearly like we have been doing that and simply stopped, so corruption has become a problem. thats a fucking retarded thing to say

i love the totally illogical "if we end subsidies the price will go up!", which is directly because oil does clearly operate on a true supply/demand curve and the top are allowed to take what they want with no downtick in sales due to competition being more competitive.

id also like to add that if you know a way for citezens v fec to be overturned by us common man id love to hear it

write a letter to your local congressman, he/she will seriously consider your opinion.

Under half of eligible voters actually vote in congressional elections, and I believe voter turnout for the last Presidential election was 57%. That means a lot of people are doing nothing. Add in the conversion of cash to political influence and misinformation (see: Citizens United....) and all of this information being readily available and that shows that a lot of people do nothing to help themselves. If voter turnout is 40% in some areas and third parties skim a few percent of votes, 20% of an electorate can choose who speaks for all of them.

I have been doing that for years and the most I get back are form letters (only for the group-driven letter campaigns).

The truth here is that almost all americans aren't going to do anything until the needed comfort of their life is attacked.

Like food and what clearly. Because people who are hungry are always unhappy and will fight. But the US will always be a pretty full nation considering we subsidize failing corn farmers and monsanto owns the world with google.

LOL wtf? for real?! someone would spend time to do this shit?

When you are fed propaganda in every facet of your life, the media knows this and jumps all over it and people are retarded and this news sells.

on the road to 20k