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#798890 | Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 11:06:17
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While congress works on censoring the internet in our country, the executive branch works on making uncensorable internet access to deploy for American-supported dissidents in other countries.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/12/world/12...et.html?_r=2&hp
 
#798891 | Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 11:24:50
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corporate dominance here, freedom there
freedom leads to more corporate influence
 
#798892 | Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 11:27:22
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corporate dominance is okay, government dominance is clearly
 
#798893 | Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 11:39:06
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corporate dominance is okay, government dominance is clearly


i disagree, but only on the basis that the government officials can be elected out of office
either way neither has the publics best interests at heart when no restrictions are present
 
#798894 | Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 11:53:02
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Quote (hedonism @ Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 09:27:22)
corporate dominance is okay, government dominance is clearly


i disagree, but only on the basis that the government officials can be elected out of office
either way neither has the publics best interests at heart when no restrictions are present


corporate employees can be fired without an election.
 
#798895 | Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 11:54:01
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and furthermore, why is it the responsibility of a government or a corporation to look after the public's "best interests"?
 
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Quote (blind_chief @ Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 12:39:06)
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corporate dominance is okay, government dominance is clearly


i disagree, but only on the basis that the government officials can be elected out of office
either way neither has the publics best interests at heart when no restrictions are present


corporate employees can be fired without an election.


generally its the board members who make the decisions, and generally they do clearly fire themselves
 
#798897 | Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 12:05:01
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and furthermore, why is it the responsibility of a government or a corporation to look after the public's "best interests"?


the public is what makes both possible, and necessary.
 
#798898 | Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 12:08:28
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and furthermore, why is it the responsibility of a government or a corporation to look after the public's "best interests"?


the public is what makes both possible, and necessary.


again, where is the responsibility? i don't see the public looking out for a corporation's best interest, and when a corporation does business with someone it is a mutual agreement, nobody's hand is being forced, like when the government collects taxes and imposes healthcare mandates, for example.
 
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and furthermore, why is it the responsibility of a government or a corporation to look after the public's "best interests"?


the public is what makes both possible, and necessary.


again, where is the responsibility? i don't see the public looking out for a corporation's best interest, and when a corporation does business with someone it is a mutual agreement, nobody's hand is being forced, like when the government collects taxes and imposes healthcare mandates, for example.


a corporation is like a representative representing the group of people who purchase its goods/use its services

that is why i don't have a problem with corporate political donations etc. When a person makes a choice to spend their money with a corporation they are giving that entity money to spend as they see fit
 
#798900 | Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 12:27:36
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and furthermore, why is it the responsibility of a government or a corporation to look after the public's "best interests"?


the public is what makes both possible, and necessary.


again, where is the responsibility? i don't see the public looking out for a corporation's best interest, and when a corporation does business with someone it is a mutual agreement, nobody's hand is being forced, like when the government collects taxes and imposes healthcare mandates, for example.


the mythical world where every transaction is completely mutual and prices are set by a pure supply and demand curve where all segments of the market are confined by their competition would be nice.

and its a matter of perspective i suppose, but without the public a corporation would have no one to sell their products too. without the public a government would have no one to defend. all demand is generated by the public. we desire these things, so either a government or a corporation provides them. the problems arise when either lose sight of why they exist, and when they are both working too closely together.
 
#798901 | Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 12:30:14
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and furthermore, why is it the responsibility of a government or a corporation to look after the public's "best interests"?


the public is what makes both possible, and necessary.


again, where is the responsibility? i don't see the public looking out for a corporation's best interest, and when a corporation does business with someone it is a mutual agreement, nobody's hand is being forced, like when the government collects taxes and imposes healthcare mandates, for example.


a corporation is like a representative representing the group of people who purchase its goods/use its services

that is why i don't have a problem with corporate political donations etc. When a person makes a choice to spend their money with a corporation they are giving that entity money to spend as they see fit


a corporation is clearly a person, so them having freedom of speech is ridiculous. the fact we reward unrestricted propaganda by these PAC groups is disgusting.
 
#798902 | Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 12:34:16
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we care more about a man who tweeted a pic of his penis then we do about a senator lying on the congressional floor, then striking those comments from the official transcripts a week later and claiming they were "clearly meant to be factual".

our ideals are all wrong.
 
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Quote (blind_chief @ Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 13:27:36)
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and furthermore, why is it the responsibility of a government or a corporation to look after the public's "best interests"?


the public is what makes both possible, and necessary.


again, where is the responsibility? i don't see the public looking out for a corporation's best interest, and when a corporation does business with someone it is a mutual agreement, nobody's hand is being forced, like when the government collects taxes and imposes healthcare mandates, for example.


the mythical world where every transaction is completely mutual and prices are set by a pure supply and demand curve where all segments of the market are confined by their competition would be nice.

and its a matter of perspective i suppose, but without the public a corporation would have no one to sell their products too. without the public a government would have no one to leech off of. all demand is generated by the public. we desire these things, so either a government or a corporation provides them. the problems arise when either lose sight of why they exist, and when they are both working too closely together.


fixed
 
#798904 | Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 13:02:48
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and furthermore, why is it the responsibility of a government or a corporation to look after the public's "best interests"?


the public is what makes both possible, and necessary.


again, where is the responsibility? i don't see the public looking out for a corporation's best interest, and when a corporation does business with someone it is a mutual agreement, nobody's hand is being forced, like when the government collects taxes and imposes healthcare mandates, for example.


a corporation is like a representative representing the group of people who purchase its goods/use its services

that is why i don't have a problem with corporate political donations etc. When a person makes a choice to spend their money with a corporation they are giving that entity money to spend as they see fit


a corporation is clearly a person, so them having freedom of speech is ridiculous. the fact we reward unrestricted propaganda by these PAC groups is disgusting.


an individual exercising his or her "free speech" should clearly be restricted from doing so simply because he or she represents or works for a corporation.
 
#798905 | Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 13:08:15
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Quote (hedonism @ Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 11:02:48)
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and furthermore, why is it the responsibility of a government or a corporation to look after the public's "best interests"?


the public is what makes both possible, and necessary.


again, where is the responsibility? i don't see the public looking out for a corporation's best interest, and when a corporation does business with someone it is a mutual agreement, nobody's hand is being forced, like when the government collects taxes and imposes healthcare mandates, for example.


a corporation is like a representative representing the group of people who purchase its goods/use its services

that is why i don't have a problem with corporate political donations etc. When a person makes a choice to spend their money with a corporation they are giving that entity money to spend as they see fit


a corporation is clearly a person, so them having freedom of speech is ridiculous. the fact we reward unrestricted propaganda by these PAC groups is disgusting.


an individual exercising his or her "free speech" should clearly be restricted from doing so simply because he or she represents or works for a corporation.


when they spend corporate money thats a problem. clearly to mention there are limits to what an individual can directly contribute for a reason, namely we as humans are prone to corruption and greed. why should a corporation, which was viewed as a person, clearly be under the same restrictions at the very least?
 
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whoops i think i was red herring'ed into a discussion about political contributions. fuck that shit
 
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Quote (hedonism @ Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 11:02:08)
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and furthermore, why is it the responsibility of a government or a corporation to look after the public's "best interests"?


the public is what makes both possible, and necessary.


again, where is the responsibility? i don't see the public looking out for a corporation's best interest, and when a corporation does business with someone it is a mutual agreement, nobody's hand is being forced, like when the government collects taxes and imposes healthcare mandates, for example.


the mythical world where every transaction is completely mutual and prices are set by a pure supply and demand curve where all segments of the market are confined by their competition would be nice.

and its a matter of perspective i suppose, but without the public a corporation would have no one to sell their products too. without the public a government would have no one to leech off of. all demand is generated by the public. we desire these things, so either a government or a corporation provides them. the problems arise when either lose sight of why they exist, and when they are both working too closely together.


fixed


they do provide needed services. but once they privatize certain functions (lets use prisons) all accountability is lost. there is no competition to drive costs down, no incentive to keep people out of jail, and spending actually increases. so you could make the argument that when the two entities are in bed together the problems are enhanced.

as far as im concerned government cant fix itself until business is separated from it. that included lobbying. make the incentive to be service and clearly profit or personal profits. too many people who are at the forefront of big business deals miraculously end up at the very company that benefited from that decision.
 
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Quote (hedonism @ Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 11:12:54)
whoops i think i was red herring'ed into a discussion about political contributions.  fuck that shit


:B
 
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i thought the executive branch was more focused on printing money to scam china out of loans
 
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i thought the executive branch was more focused on printing money to scam china out of loans


china ain't even mad
 
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i thought the executive branch was more focused on printing money to scam china out of loans


china ain't even mad


SPEAKING OF POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS HEHHHHHHHHH
 
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clearly sure i follow
 
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and furthermore, why is it the responsibility of a government or a corporation to look after the public's "best interests"?


the public is what makes both possible, and necessary.


again, where is the responsibility? i don't see the public looking out for a corporation's best interest, and when a corporation does business with someone it is a mutual agreement, nobody's hand is being forced, like when the government collects taxes and imposes healthcare mandates, for example.


the corporation is doing business with a customer

no customers, no business
 
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Fuck corporations and government trying to increase censoring on the internet.

The internet is the most sacred thing in the world. Don't fuck it up.
 
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Viva la Net Neutrality
 
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the fact elizabeth warren is being so opposed speaks volumes about our government. and any who oppose her should tell you exactly who in government you should have issues with, because they are clearly on your side.
 
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the fact elizabeth warren is being so opposed speaks volumes about our government.  and any who oppose her should tell you exactly who in government you should have issues with, because they are clearly on your side.


nationwide is on your side
 
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Quote (blind_chief @ Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 20:34:42)
the fact elizabeth warren is being so opposed speaks volumes about our government.  and any who oppose her should tell you exactly who in government you should have issues with, because they are clearly on your side.


nationwide is on your side


well played sir
 
#798962 | Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 20:34:40
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expanding government is for pussies
 
#798982 | Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 22:02:59
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but the government is creating the shadow internet for democracy!!!!
 
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i think that i read about the first two or so of hedonism's poops before i just gave up on this toilet
 
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Quote (hedonism @ Sun - Jun 12 2011 - 12:08:28)
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and furthermore, why is it the responsibility of a government or a corporation to look after the public's "best interests"?


the public is what makes both possible, and necessary.


again, where is the responsibility? i don't see the public looking out for a corporation's best interest, and when a corporation does business with someone it is a mutual agreement, nobody's hand is being forced, like when the government collects taxes and imposes healthcare mandates, for example.


A corporation looks out for a corporation's best interests, better known as profit. The government is elected by the public, the government sets the rules for the game. What happens when corporations control the flow of information to the public and gain more money by doing so, thus taking more money from the public and putting more money into making the law benefit them?

Health insurance corporations are given a legal exemption from anti-trust laws. They are allowed to keep the price of healthcare high purely to put money in their pockets. They can "negotiate" lower prices with the people who actually provide healthcare while demanding/requesting that non-insurance prices be considerably higher in order to cut off access to healthcare for people who want to go directly to the person who actually performs the service. This is clearly a free market, there is no real competition, there is government-issued privilege.

Congress forced through an anti-trust exemption for healthcare corporations in 1945, carefully worded to circumvent a Supreme Court ruling. (Read more: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=114063950 )

And who is an outspoken opponent of this inequity? This guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOQ2GEGm3v0
 
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the gentleman is wrong
 
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the fact elizabeth warren is being so opposed speaks volumes about our government.  and any who oppose her should tell you exactly who in government you should have issues with, because they are clearly on your side.


nationwide is on your side


 
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obligatory must kill politics toilet
 
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I’ll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. “I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.” “I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.” “Hey, wait a minute, there’s one guy holding out both puppets!” “Shut up! Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control. Here’s Love Connection. Watch this and get fat and stupid. By the way, keep drinking beer, you fucking morons.”

-Bill Hicks
 
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LOVE CONNECTION R;FIOL
 
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I’ll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. “I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.” “I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.” “Hey, wait a minute, there’s one guy holding out both puppets!” “Shut up! Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control. Here’s Love Connection. Watch this and get fat and stupid. By the way, keep drinking beer, you fucking morons.”

-Bill Hicks


The problem with politics in America is that people think political activism is showing up to an event held for the profit of a television commentator and stopping there.
 
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