she probably is using the system to her advantage. but why is your focus on a mother of 4 (no matter how irresponsible she is for getting into this situation)? why clearly focus on the people setting the system against you, using the media, lobbyist, propaganda, anything money can buy or influence to set the system in their favor?


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This post has been edited by blind_chief on Fri - Jul 29 2011 - 19:17:07

tek has become a big brother support, fuck him

because these are the same retards that vote and think that the government is trying to protect them

the owners should, as the corporation is a shield from the owner. the other advantages from incorporating probably outweigh the capital gains tax anyway. and realistically if the tax code was simplified, penalties to multinational corporations who shield their revenues overseas, much of this would even be needed. I also do clearly believe this is taxation twice. the company is a separate entity, so its taxes are clearly the same as the owners.

This post has been edited by blind_chief on Fri - Jul 29 2011 - 19:35:12

lets talk about a basic difference between the average conservative and liberal (for lack of better terms).

most conservatives absolutely believe in the american dream, that if you want you can succeed. you can overcome shitty parents, poverty, poor schooling, any life obstacle. the gist is as long as you dont want to be poor you dont have to be poor. due to this belief any sort of safety net is nothing but a crutch to be exploited. essentially sink or swim, no government interaction (unless ive paid for it).

a liberal, on the otherhand, wants to take a bit from everyone and provide a safety net. they generally overstate hardships, believe everyone deserves chance after chance at success. basically the government has a duty to provide equally for everyone basic services.


its this basic difference, the role of government, that separates most of us. but much of the time i feel like its who gets to exploit the system that really separates us. you see a mother of 4 and are pissed she gets day care breaks and drives an expensive vehicle. i get pissed seeing money=speech and the rich being above the law. for the life of me though I cant understand why there is such hatred for those below whatever your socioeconomic status is, but i do understand why you cant understand why i have a problem with those at the very top. and in all reality the system is clearly tipped in the poor's favor, so why would i focus on them unless i truly believe its their fault and they deserve it.

/op ed

you want to know why there is hatred? it comes from above the rich. for a country based on equality, equal chance for everyone, why does the government shit on the rich more than everyone else? probably why they have to get away with everything (keep it fair). the everyday liberal doesnt want to give more, they want it taken from other people. the political liberal is a mindless dreamer who takes money that doesnt even exist from people who couldnt even have it since its clearly there.

That is to say, if your underlings at work were given all these benefits that were clearly extended to you, and even paid more than you, wouldn't you garnish some resentment towards the company you work for (albeit poor comparison since you have the choice to quit) And you could make the argument the rich could leave I guess, but I feel that the comparison isn't fair since establishing one's self in another country takes years to establish the equality in treatment as is preordained by virtue of being an american citizen

or is it?

Regardless of whether the benefits outweigh or clearly. There are still 2 taxes that hit the revenue of a corporation before it hits the owners pockets.

clearly sure how the government shits on the rich more than anybody else.

workhorse, slave, etc

How many people's underlings at work make more money than them? You make up all these situations like they are common when you may have read one story about one person.a

this situation never happens in the business world (the world as things work), but it happens in society which doesnt make a lick of sense

boner on the right

whose on the lft

he runs black mesa

oh right that fucking fuck

wwgfd

Obama's war? While he hasn't exactly rushed to get us out of these foreign wars, Afghanistan and Iraq are still legacies of terrible policies of the Bush administration. Libya and Yemen are Obama's wars. We need to get out of these four foreign wars, but it is inaccurate and misleading to label that as "Obama's war". The surge in Afghanistan was a strategy of increased military action for a short time, modeled in part after Bush's surge in Iraq.

Here is an interesting read on the economic war: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/201...osts.aspx#page1

But here are some figures on war cost:
$1.3t Total cost Afghanistan/Iraq 2001-2011 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/22/us/polit...?pagewanted=all
$2.3-2.7t Total cost Afghanistan/Iraq 2001-2011 http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/29/u-s-...n-and-counting/
$3.7-4.4t Projected cost Afghanistan/Iraq 2001-2021 http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/29/u-s-...n-and-counting/
$100b Additional war funding request 2008 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7138279
$20-27b/1yr Iraq Surge estimation http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/02/TNSc...geupdate070202/
$120b Afghanistan 2010 cost http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/21/world/as...olicy.html?_r=1
$159b 2011 war budget http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-20/p...iscal-2005.html
$117b (26% reduction) 2012 war budget request http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-20/p...iscal-2005.html



Do you have a source for that statistic? The Department of Labor presented the statistic of 1.9% of costs attributable to fraud or error in 2001, that's only $580m. The House Ways and Means committee accepted this statistic and determined that the DOL's current plan to reduce those was sufficient.



Offering a personal story does clearly substantiate claims about programs that serve millions of people.

That's clearly a loophole, that's adding a deduction for a family of four that doesn't cover the cost of living for one person.

Further incentive to re-invest the profits into the business.

new hero:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SenRe/s...4756/stop/16376

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAC2xeT2yOg

government does clearly work for us, only for big business

"we are in trouble financially, most people would agree with this."

Did you know that the census doesn't bring in as much money as it costs?

"the statistics" (which he did clearly provide)

because he had unlimited time to rattle out statistics, the only one that matters is saying the bill they are trying to push through as being a cut, when its clearly, is ludicrous

something about only raising spending by 900 billion LOL

glory days are over, get on board with someone whose ready to do real reform

And disincentive for investment.

This post has been edited by ppkpkppk on Sun - Jul 31 2011 - 21:20:15

Maybe he should talk about the problems when there isn't a fucking crisis on hand.

9 years of unfunded wars, a tax cut during the entire time, and get this, they convince you taxes are to blame!

Can't undo those, lets just get rid of the rest of the government.

the epa has got to go. they have never done any good, they hinder jobs. the free market will solve all.

if we can't cut down trees we aren't creating jobs

POLOLOTICS SUCKS

Are you fucking kidding me?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/08/01/bac...vote/index.html
If you are a member of congress and haven't been in Washington for the last 2 weeks, you should be removed from office. That is fucking ridiculous.

The Census is broke, it doesn't bring money in.

Tell that to the idiots who elected her, they're too busy crying about a black guy being President.

I really don't understand how the 2006 poopal reform works - USPS makes profit, but congressional mandates require them to pre-fund health benefits for retirees, which makes them lose money and borrow from the treasury to make up for it. I can't find a lot of information, but it seems that congress passed a reform bill in 2006 that requires the USPS to excessively pre-fund future benefits projected for its employees - thus they both pay this money to the treasury and borrow the money. The USPS was quite profitable until this reform, and continues to turn a profit on their regular accounting sheets. Googling "usps profit" and "usps loss" provides a lot of contradictory information.

http://www.poopalnewsblog.com/2010/12/28/u...-takes-its-cut/
http://www.poopalnewsblog.com/2011/07/27/u...clearly-operations/

agree

everyone does it, including that idiot black president youre talking about, mr liberaltarian

The President has been doing his job (being President), clearly campaigning for President. That's a hell of a lot better.

i laughed, wow

im glad even you can troll

I agree with this commentary: http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/07/27...cit-comes-from/

Return to some Reagan and Clinton policies, Dubya completely fucked up.

Stop Tax Haven Abuse Act: +$100b per year without raising taxes, simply closing loopholes in the law that are heavily abused. Is there a valid reason to oppose this?

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/corporate-t...ory?id=14066564

Did you know that so-called "529" savings programs for your kids’ college tuition are subsidized through favorable tax status with the government? Well, 64% of 529 investors don’t think they use government programs.

Do you own a home and benefit from favorable mortgage interest deductions? At least 60% of Americans who do also don’t think they get government help.

Even 44% of Social Security recipients, 39% of Medicare recipients, and a whopping 27% of welfare recipients --- the mother of all government social programs that conservatives love to hate -- don’t believe they are beneficiaries of government social spending.

Political rhetoric is one thing. Facts are another.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/07/12/...like-it-or-clearly/

The Senate has much more responsible members than the House.

Republicans have shown a willingness to end some tax breaks, which reduce the government's tax haul by $1.1 trillion each year. Most Senate Republicans voted last month to end a subsidy for ethanol producers.

"None of us are fond of loopholes," House Speaker John Boehner said on Monday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/12/...E76B0LB20110712

More commentary on capital gains tax: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/07/opinion/...MR_AP_LO_MST_FB

The "Tea Party" movement is the problem here, because they hold a strict ideology and idea that is completely unfeasible in practice. We can't turn an economy that has been on the road to hell for ten years around in a few weeks. Senate Republicans have been reasonable while intelligently adhering to the same principles of low taxes, small government, but understanding that you can't just get rid of everything in the government except the DOD and hand out checks for Medicare to private companies who operate much less effectively. Fiscal reform needs to be a long-term commitment to responsibility, clearly a patch job or a plane crash like we are seeing suggested now. The compromise between a safe landing and a plane crash is still a fucking plane crash.

OK going to work now