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lets make anarchism work on a global scale

there is more logic to a general wellbeing with anarchism than with the current republican party stances aka tea party

lets clearly read pdf documents

foxit ???

adobe or gtfo

how this get 2 pages :confused:

cuz adobe is my friend!

hey gtfo with your last poop syndrome

it was pretty well thought out, i enjoyed it

almost convinced me to switch to anthropology, i might minor in it

i just prefer cuddling with a book, i am sure it is a swell read

anthropology is awesome. but you make shit cuz only grants pay for this, so everyone is poor and everyone wants to fuck everyone else for personal gain. i guess only stupid people want to learn about evolution.

Many aspects of Capital gains tax may sound counterintuitive to Liberals, while they may be intuitive to a Conservative.

well it kind of fits into what my dream journalism job is/what i'm going to school for anyways, so it gave me quite a bit of food for thought into also getting that minor/double major/whatever to make it more feasible, although its pretty much a pipe dream anyways

props to the first non-rush limbaugh sounding poop from dale!

and capital gains should be a steep tax because its only realized once assets are taken out of the continual reinvestment loop and generally nothing is physically produced. investment properties etc.

i would have loved to do that. my pharmacist stepmom fought me on every non pharmacist/actuary type major. if you wernt going to be working in an industry that fucks their consumers then NOPE.

good luck in your endeavors

Lowering the top cg bracket in 2003 is an example of how trickle-down economics do clearly work. How is this policy intuitive?

Here's where you're wrong. If you want true equality, you don't tax someone who makes more than another more than you tax the person who makes less.

#1 drawback to liberalism is that they think they are doing things for the good of society by making things equal, but really are just fucking over people who try

In the United States, individuals and corporations pay income tax on the net total of all their capital gains just as they do on other sorts of income. Capital gains are generally taxed at a preferential rate in comparison to ordinary income (26 U.S.C. §1(h)). This is intended to provide incentives for investors to make capital investments, to fund entrepreneurial activity, and to compensate for the effect of inflation and the corporate income tax. The amount an investor is taxed depends on both his or her tax bracket, and the amount of time the investment was held before being sold.

If you raise the Capital gains tax ppl won't invest and will find other loopholes. When ppl don't invest in the market they are selling and companies values drop and so does thier credit rating will go down and thier borrowing interest rate will go up causeing inflation. Causing more layoffs etc.... does this clearly make any sense.

My 92 yr old stepfather lives off of his capitals gains. If the tax goes up why should he invest

The US credit rating is predicted to drop twice by next year's fafsa

which by the way steve, trickles down on you too. cant wait to see credit card interest rates to go to fucking school

this country is going to be screwed if we dont stop spending so much

its already too late

lets assume you are series and think a flat tax would actually work in a modern society, lets take a look

what would that tax be? 5k?
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
there are 300 mil people in america, 237 mil clearly in jail, 153 mil in the work force. 153 mil x 5k = 765,000,000,000. that hardly covers our military expenses (687 bil), let alone road upkeep, disaster control etc. and do you charge the unemployed? what is they cant pay, you know, because they are unemployed? deportation? jail (ohh lol we cant afford that either)?

now lets consider that the current average wage in america is 49k according to this 2009 census report. so the average person would pay 1/10 to federal tax. someone working at fast food or retail (the main source of new jobs), making minimum wage, making 15k a year, would be paying 1/3. i wont even talk about someone on wallstreet who would laugh at this.

there is a reason no country does this, and thats because it does clearly work. basic services can clearly be provided. roads cant be upkept, bridges would fall apart. your precious corporations would then build private roads that no one can use, services that operate under a pure supply/demand curve (which ofc does clearly exist anymore because only a limited few even provide things, which the government cant afford to regulate, and maximum profits are achieved clearly by providing this to everyone, but only the highest potential profits).

in short, have you even thought this through?

because you still make money, inflation still exists, and letting money just sit decreases its purchasing power. people will always invest, its a charade to think otherwise.

we were screwed the moment regulatory capture happened and when we decided money = speech. the bush tax cuts have widened the deficit by (at the time) 10%, but lets ignore that and focus on the things every citizen has been paying into for their entire lives.


big business is clearly your friend, they will exploit the shit out of you then move on once you are fully invested and cant get away

4th poop that will get more attention than any of the previous 3

clearly a flat number, a flat %

scary shit huh?

we're fucked

the rich would never go for that, its a tax increase

you do realize our deficit, as a % of gdp, is largely unchanged, right? this is an artificial fight started by those what see an opportunity to take keep more for themselves.

that picture is misleading though, based on the current cbo report that has flat revenue and spending over the next 10 years.

this is a better explanation

There will never be "true equality", and the goal is clearly to make things equal. The goal of our country should be to provide basic protections for our people, a basic standard of living in society. Roughly 30% of Americans make less than the cost of the health insurance packages ($~30k/year) of the politicians and business owners who want to refuse a first-world standard of living to people who can't afford it. Over 50% of people in the US make less than the living wage of $49k/year as referenced in the 2009 census by Joe. Almost none of the people in that bottom half of income make money for their own work - they work for the richest people for a fraction of what their work actually earns and the money that could go to a better standard of living goes to profit for the owners of the business, and this money can then be converted into free speech to lie in order to gain support for political policies that continue pissing all over people who are below a first-world standard of living.

The social contract in society ensures basic protections to all people in the society, and we are moving to update our social contract so the majority of people are ensured the protections to continue as the greatest nation (rather than slowly becoming a third-world nation and first-world military power as we are now). The people who earn the most make a lot of money off the work of the people who make less than them, they can afford to give back to the society that gives them the opportunities that they seize.

We have seen the greatest economic growth in three decades under higher tax rates, because this fuels the prosperity of the nation as the catalyst to economic growth, clearly the worship of stagnant money in uncertain times.



Capital gains tax rates were set to fall to 20% in 1981, and they were increased back to 28% in 1986.

Some statistics on the history of these taxes: http://www.urban.org/publications/1000519.html

What we are seeing now is the failure of previous policies - tax cuts do clearly equal economic growth as previously announced.



Tax cuts and wars each account for roughly one third of the deficit after we turned a surplus into a massive deficit.



Raising the debt ceiling has always been important. Here is an interesting letter regarding raising the debt ceiling:

http://www.washingtonpoop.com/r/2010-2019/...letter_0514.pdf

Source: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs...mbodia-20110720

Oh, you mean that corporations who want tax holidays to create jobs add to cash reserves and pay out corporate bonuses instead of creating jobs? They even lay off employees.
http://www.googlemonopoly.eu/index.php/201...-off-employees/

Would anyone like to offer some evidence to the contrary, or do you prefer meaningless rhetoric and ideological misinterpretations fed to you by those will benefit from protecting their money?

clearly sure why profits that have already been taxed should be again taxed as income.

if we print a bunch of money and give it to the poor there will be no more poor people

no

When is it? Or are we still just speaking in generalities?

Where are the costs for obamas war in afgan he has sent more troops since taking office.

How about we stop all the corruption in Welfare that should save us 100 billion..

At my kids day care I noticed a lady using some kind of Debt card when she came in to pick up her kids. I thought to myself they don't take CC.. Hmmm It turned out to be a gov program that helps her with her 4 kids day care. When she left she got into her New Liccoln Navigator. WOW!!! must be nice to get gov help..... I pay #315 a week for both kids during the summer. I wonder what she pays for 4 kids....

This post has been edited by DCC on Fri - Jul 29 2011 - 17:39:40

When ppl say flat tax they mean% silly head

Its clearly. Its taxed as capital gains.

You and your family would love this for the rest of your lives

Family-Friendly. All flat tax proposals have one "loophole." Households receive a generous exemption based on family size. For instance, a family of four would only
begin to pay tax until its annual income reached more than $30,000.[6]

This post has been edited by DCC on Fri - Jul 29 2011 - 17:46:12

gull is usually on troll mode so i just took the most absurd approach

capital gains traditionally only taxes the profit portion of the revenue. shouldnt profits be taxed just like wages? how is that twice?

i've already provided the 2nd grade math on why that doesnt work

please explain about a flat tax idiots

Investors are the owners. In other forms of businesses, owners take home all the profits after taxes. In corporations, the business pays tax, and then the owners pay capital gains as well. Don't get me wrong, I think that there should be capital gains fees because of the nature of a corporation. But I don't think it should be taxed like income, because taxes are already paid.

Why exactly is this preferable?